is that a stab in the dark guess or is this for real

If Odsal is worth so much the obvious choice is to let the council get that money in and spend some of it on a new stadium for the Bulls and Park avenue. Or is that too obvious. I bet Green and some councillors have thought of it. I have been going to Odsal for 40 years and it is still a dump of a hole in the ground. Some of the new small grounds that rugby and football clubs are now getting look great. Saints cost £25m. Odsal is worth much more than that as a tip then development. Where is the problem apart from sentimental arguments?

don't think that's true is it, can't speak for other clubs but why do you think the fans have done so much work at BV

hang on akin to listed building, but the flats and the seated area are quite modern its only the hole in the ground and surrounding perimeter that is anything like yesteryear

you don't own it the RFL does

to answer the original question can you survive, yes I think you can we certainly wouldn't

No they don't. Bradford council does. RFL leases it then we sub lease it.

The council own it. The RFL have the long lease [ifor as long as Bradford play 90% of their home games there[/i

yes I forgot that so yes there you are, get the council to sell the ground and build you a new one simples

I seem to remember the last time a plan to build a new stadium was mooted it was vigorously opposed by one G. Sutcliffe MP?

He won't be an mp after next election. Stepping down

Green said this morning, ie before most of the posts about alternatives to Odsal, that he had no plans to move away.

Hope I'm not going to get crucified for my opinion.
Would next year be the perfect time for Mrs.Koukash to make another bid?
You have the fan base, as has been proved with your success.
There would be no direct conflict with any other club in the league.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I understand that we will play from Cougar Park next year, as they offered to let us use the ground rent-free so all their fans can come every week and laugh at us.'" That's pretty good. Have a look at this: Hitler reacts to the news that Bradford Bulls might be relegated and in the same division as Keighley ..enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM40thb ... re=mh_lolz (BTW dont watch if a few four letter words offend you - strictly adults only !! )

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I understand that we will play from Cougar Park next year, as they offered to let us use the ground rent-free so all their fans can come every week and laugh at us.'" That's pretty good. Have a look at this: Hitler reacts to the news that Bradford Bulls might be relegated and in the same division as Keighley ..enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM40thb ... re=mh_lolz (BTW dont watch if a few four letter words offend you - strictly adults only !! )

Quote ="KRLFC"That's pretty good. Have a look at this: Hitler reacts to the news that Bradford Bulls might be relegated and in the same division as Keighley ..enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM40thb ... re=mh_lolz (BTW dont watch if a few four letter words offend you - strictly adults only !! )'" That's a new one I've never seen that done before. Keighley will be a really nice town when it arrives in 2010.

Quote ="KRLFC"That's pretty good. Have a look at this: Hitler reacts to the news that Bradford Bulls might be relegated and in the same division as Keighley ..enjoy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aM40thb ... re=mh_lolz (BTW dont watch if a few four letter words offend you - strictly adults only !! )'" That's a new one I've never seen that done before. Keighley will be a really nice town when it arrives in 2010.

No you didn't



No no no the best way forward is to just make up lie after lie about moving into a new ground that meets the basic requirements

Before the club makes a decision to leave Odsal I think they need to spell out just how excessive are the maintenance costs. I've been sceptical about the argument since attending a fans forum when Caisley insisted that £10m needed to be spent immediately on the stadium in order to retain its safety certificate. 13 years on it doesn't seem that many, if any, of the essential repairs that he quoted have been carried out and we still seem to have a safety certificate.

I recall Hood referring to a burst drain that cost £30k to repair a few years ago but apart from that what indications are there that the club are spending huge amounts on the stadium?

Ironically I recently heard a Darlington football fan blame their club's demise on the huge increase in running costs after they built a shiny new stadium

My you tube video and yep of course we all know the Downfall spoofs have been around years., and I'll happily take the criticism of an old joke done poorly if that what you want to throw at me ...

but TBH honest it was never intended to make it onto this board and was quickly put together as a bit of a lightner for our own fans at a rough time in the season.

Actually if you look at the threads regarding the Bulls on the Cougars site you'll actually see that I actually supported you guys ....

I think I saw something about that a while ago. Is it true they no longer play at the stadium due to the prohibitive cost?

A shiny new stadium usually comes with a stadium management company. If your owner has more than 50% of the stadium management company then you'll probably be ok. If not, then there could be problems down the line.

i think the bulls will survive outside of super league , lets face it we have more chance of getting to the championship grand final than the super league one at the moment . if we invest in a better players who knows we might get a trip to blackpool for the northern rail cup aswell ,as for a new ground ,we are in this position becouse we couldnt pay the bills ,wheres the money coming from for a new stadium the council ? get real

Thank you Rach. Haven't seen one of these for a few years, especially RL related. Really made me smile as I'm sure it has a few other people. I think you're onto something - how about a new one when/if someone takes the poison chalice that is the coaches role

Indeed he did. And there's an example of my problem, right there. I read the words, and the words alone. I don't add anything.

It may be true that he has no intention of us ever leaving Odsal, and it may be true that he will spend whatever money is necessary to achieve that. It may be. But he hasn't said that. Maybe you were intended to take it that he meant "we won't ever move: over my dead body". Or maybe that's what he means. But it isn't what he said.

He has said he has "no plans" to move away. But that would be true in my more specific scenario; and it would be also true if he knew damn well that we will not be able to stay at Odsal in the Championship for whatever reason. As long as the actual plans for physically moving don't yet exist, then he "has no plans".

It tells me nothing. Or, as a maximum, that if he did see our future elsewhere, then the specifics haven't yet been decided upon.

As at today, I have no plans to go on holiday next year. Will I go on holiday next year? Well, almost certainly, yes.

I strongly suggest the huge costs at Darlington are probably more to do with the 'management company', no doubt set up to run the stadium at a profit, than for any actual maintenance costs. It is a fair point to bear in mind though, as a management company would probably be involved in any re-build of Odsal.

To be honest, I can't remember Caisley [iever[/i holding anything remotely like a 'fans' forum', unless that was, perhaps, his term for board meetings. Maybe the £10m was a figure he quoted in the articles in the T&A where he berated fans for not turning up in sufficient numbers? In truth, I wouldn't like to say how much has been spent on the ground, probably the minimum which kept its licence, but the problem with Odsal has always been its sheer size and the fact is you could spend an awful lot, though maybe not £10m, and hardly notice when glancing round.

I wondered, at the time of the RFL buying the lease, if there was some longer term plan to relocate their headquarters to Odsal and look at developing the stadium as a venue for cup semi-finals, championship and amateur finals etc whilst allowing Bradford to continue playing there on a weekly basis. "The RFL Stadium" sort of thing...a bit like Twickenham but obviously ter.