For those that haven't heard this interview on Canadian radio..... www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair- ... er-canada/ 3,000 fans already registered an interest in a season ticket?????

For those that haven't heard this interview on Canadian radio..... www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair- ... er-canada/ 3,000 fans already registered an interest in a season ticket?????

I hope it's 2099 and me rather than all people like me.

2999 and you even...

Sigh.

They come across well. www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair- ... er-canada/ And [url=https://vimeo.com/34621611here's a video[/url I found of the owner, David Argyle. I post this mostly so you can get a more accurate picture of him and Derek in the same room. Not what you'd call an interesting guy, but an interesting guy. Australian mining investor based in Toronto. Seems to specialise in potash. I'm not convinced the money's going to run out. It's interesting, and totally right, that they're not currently playing up the difference between the two codes but they are pointing out the differences. In the press conference they were very limited in the number of times they referred to it as rugby league. They're unburdened by history and it's totally the way to go. There are inevitably questions from people interested in sport when they find out there are two codes. They give me a lot of confidence they're going to handle that well.

They come across well. www.sportsnet.ca/590/jeff-blair- ... er-canada/ And [url=https://vimeo.com/34621611here's a video[/url I found of the owner, David Argyle. I post this mostly so you can get a more accurate picture of him and Derek in the same room. Not what you'd call an interesting guy, but an interesting guy. Australian mining investor based in Toronto. Seems to specialise in potash. I'm not convinced the money's going to run out. It's interesting, and totally right, that they're not currently playing up the difference between the two codes but they are pointing out the differences. In the press conference they were very limited in the number of times they referred to it as rugby league. They're unburdened by history and it's totally the way to go. There are inevitably questions from people interested in sport when they find out there are two codes. They give me a lot of confidence they're going to handle that well.

Not sure if our resident expert is a regular transatlantic flyer but the jet lag would be an issue if you are an athlete who is meant to be performing at a high level. The Warriors use the flight to Oz as an excuse for playing sh*te in Australia and that is just 3 hours and only two hours time difference.

To be right, our clubs use the same excuse for the flight to Perpignan and that's only two hours flight and one hour difference. Before that we used, "the long trek up to Cumbria /down to London", excuse. I suppose there will always be something which gets into players minds if we let it, but these 'difficulties' can be, and should be managed, in a professional organisation or sport.

For reasons I've explained before, there really isn't a jet lag issue in the case of Manchester-Toronto. I'd agree that if a player gets such an excuse into his head, that would be the biggest risk by far The effective "jet lag" for example going from Manchester to Toronto is around 3 hours. But rugby league player's body clocks are not pre-programmed to play within a narrow band of the day. I would assume that everyone would agree that there's no reason why a player's body clock would perform any worse at an 8pm Uk kickoff than it would at a 3pm UK kickoff and that's a body clock differential of 5 hours.

So let's cut out the bollox.

It's harder for the Torontians coming the other way, as they are shortenung rather than stretching days, but even then the difference isn;t great and they had at least 2 days to sort themselves out. Plus, we don't really care about the Canadians, do we, as they will be much better than English teams so any equalizing our teams can get is fair dos

Think you are underestimating the impact of that kind of switch. Not read all of these (not quite that sad!) but the abstracts do suggest it is not bollox to factor in the jetlag.

[urlhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1756080/pdf/v032p00101.pdf[/url



You are right about it being harder coming back the other way. Some interesting stuff here too:

[urlhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435929/[/url

Does say athletes and 18-25 year olds are less affected, but the NFL study does also point to some impact on team performances depending on who travelled where and what time the game was at. This was a comparison of results vs bookies odds though...

There is a difference in metabolic activity between 3pm and 8pm that effects performance, generally people have higher metabolic rates at 3pm (although not everyone is the same). Normally teams would be at the same point as each other though, and therefore it has less impact on the result, but this would not be the case if one of them has crossed timezones to play. Impact would depend on the kick off time c.f. the time your body thinks it is.

So you're saying that teams kicking off in the evening are effectively playing just as if they were jet-lagged?

Sorry - that really is nonsensical. We even play the GF in the evening, and I haven't noticed groggy players struggling to perform.
Or maybe.. hang on.. Sinfield and that kick...

That is not what I am saying. You had said previously that there is no difference between playing a game at 3pm and 8pm for the players. I am saying there is, in that in general a persons metabolic rate, and therefore their performance at high levels of activity are reduced at 8pm compared to 3pm.

It is not a question of people being groggy or falling asleep on the pitch (or not taking the 2!), but in the margins of players reactions and stamina.

For example, you could have an 8pm kick off local time. One team is playing at the reduced 8pm level and the other is playing like it is 3pm. This is the example in the NFL study, which suggested it can have an impact on the result where the teams are closely matched.

Anyway, you wait until we have Toronto away on a Sunday followed by Leigh the following Friday - you will be complaining along with the rest of us

Point me to a single piece of evidence proving that a player will perform better at 3pm than he can at 8pm, then. There is no physiological reason whatsoever.

Evidence is hardly in [url=https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&client=ubuntu#q=sports+performance+time+dayshort supply[/url for that.

[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12182501Time difference due to distance travelled is direcrly related to performance[/url.

You are best able to perform tasks at the time of day that you normally perform those tasks, and your body will respond differently to different kinds of exertion at different times of day. Of course that's true. Circadian rhythm is hardly new.

All possible contributing factors to the measured phenomenon. These are win percentages for [url=http://grantland.com/features/packing-miles-hurt-team-overpaying-kicker/travelling NFL teams[/url

2000+ miles - 39.8%
1,000-1,999 miles - 40.3%
0-999 miles - 43.0%

It's a real thing. You can call it a failing in the players if you want, or you can acknowledge and prepare for it. I have a preferred strategy.

Bless, "ooohhh I love Toronto Invaders" hope it fails BIG TIME !

I wouldn't call it a failing in the players at all.

Of the above, though, I would suggest it's far more likely that the stress of travelling is a hundred times more relevant to performance than any "jet lag". Everyone who's been on a plane or bus for hours knows it takes it out of you, and the factors I'd suspect would be most important are first, travelling is very tiring. you're tired after a long journey. It's not immediately logical, as you've spent hours sat on your arris doing nothing, but we all know it is very tiring. Next, stiffening up through being largely immobile; also, breathing in unnatural, recirculated/filtered air; and the soporific effect of travel where it often eventually puts you to sleep regardless of time of day and how tired you were or weren't when you started.

If you can produce research that identifies how much of the small performance difference relates to circadian rhythms as opposed to those sort of obvious factors, I'd like to see it. When I travel to Benidorm, I'm knackered when I get there but the time difference is only 1 hour and so I don't think jet lag is involved at all.

I'm sure it's true that most travelling teams get off the plane, get straight into their kits and go out and try to do the business. Just like you with your Benidorm speedos.

They're not there for up to a week whilst still producing the measured effect.

I'm usually in benidorm for a week. Takes around 3 days to get completely de-stressed, and the day I wake up after we have travelled back, I get up feeling fscking great.

On either the Tuesday in Benidorm, or the Sunday I get back, I'd beat Warrington on my own.

How good you feel standing around in speedos with your hands on your hips is not my preferred yardstick.

I have to wear shorts, because the Speedos haven't been built yet that'll take the job on!

Google "circadian rhythm cognitive performance" and you will find loads of studies going back 40+ years. This is all well established. They run the same tests on people at different times of the day and compare the results.

[urlhttp://hstrial-jzadina.homestead.com/Rhythms_of_Mental_Performance_0_1_.pdf[/url

Nice graph on page 5 of the pdf (numbered 11 on the page) about alertness that would be relevant. I couldn't find a clear one on physical performance that didn't also involve travel, I guess because it is more difficult to do comparative tests hour by hour.

Yes, I know there is no meaningful evidence of any significant effect on performance levels in pro sport. Kind of my point.

You'll be fine over here FA they have one size fits all Budgie Smugglers!

but I have never tried them

Mrs Relic says I am at my physical peak in the mornings cannot get more definite evidence than that

Meh, I reckon she's just another of them Bradford glory hunters

So I take it from this you do not believe alertness, speed of thought, or decision making effect a teams chances of winning a game? It is only physical fitness that matters? There is plenty of evidence in the links that cognitive function varies depending on the time of day.

Anyway the original point was this, your incredulity that a flight to Toronto would have any impact on a persons body clock.

It does.

The answer to the "What's the story morning glory?" question is in there too...