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| I don't see this as a bad story.
People wanting to invest or even buy the club looks more like good news.
Why should the owner tell us everything? It is his business and nothing to do with us till it comes out in the correct manner - not by the press association and twitter.
We all feel something is going on in the background and no doubt there will be the drip, drip of information till we get the whole story. I expect there will be a big story breaking in the next 12 months.
As for saying no to 4 investors we have no idea who they are and what they are offering. People are assuming a lot and taking it as fact at the moment.
Whoever is funding the club this season must have put money in and have clearly had a bagful of problems to get over so why should they take the first offer when they have done the hard work.
In my eyes there is something happening in the near future so why would I take peanuts or let someone else come in that I don't want - unless I do want Mr or Mrs K in with me.
Maybe Chalmers was tempted to do the last 7 months of work and was tempted to try and get £750k and go home.
Whatever the truth we were saved from oblivion and are now getting offers of new owners/investment apparently. Most of us still believe there is a bigger plan for the near future (2021 maybe) so I am quietly optimistic that Chalmers and possibly a shadowy figure behind him saved us for a reason.
As far as Chalmers not saying anything, well, I don't expect him to as I wouldn't until it was sorted and needed saying. We are supporters but I spend much more at my local Esso station and supermarket and don't expect the chairmen of those companies telling me everything they are doing and then threaten to walk away if they don't keep me in the loop.
I expect us to find out when it is time however frustrating it is for us all.
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| The other interesting thing to ponder is [iwhere[/i this story came from
If it was a private conversation between Andrew Chalmers and Marwan Koukash, which one of them then went to the press with it? I mean it is quite specific, it even has details of the amount that the club was valued at!
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Quote ="paulwalker71"The other interesting thing to ponder is [iwhere[/i this story came from
If it was a private conversation between Andrew Chalmers and Marwan Koukash, which one of them then went to the press with it? I mean it is quite specific, it even has details of the amount that the club was valued at!'"
The original story had a comment via PA (but not a direct quote) from the Koukash side of things, so you'd have to suspect them.
Quote ="le penguin"
Notice the headline states half of the club and the text half of AC's stake, so half of a half is a quarter. Know it's not the same people who write them but hardly sounds solid. Still, never a dull day at Odsal.'"
It's just bad journalism. Half of AC's stake being £750k would value the club at £3million - which is only slightly more ridiculous than the original valuation of £1.5million.
EDIT - I've been informed that AC owns half and the other half is a holding company he and Lowe own, so who knows!
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Quote ="paulwalker71"The other interesting thing to ponder is [iwhere[/i this story came from
If it was a private conversation between Andrew Chalmers and Marwan Koukash, which one of them then went to the press with it? I mean it is quite specific, it even has details of the amount that the club was valued at!'"
The original story had a comment via PA (but not a direct quote) from the Koukash side of things, so you'd have to suspect them.
Quote ="le penguin"
Notice the headline states half of the club and the text half of AC's stake, so half of a half is a quarter. Know it's not the same people who write them but hardly sounds solid. Still, never a dull day at Odsal.'"
It's just bad journalism. Half of AC's stake being £750k would value the club at £3million - which is only slightly more ridiculous than the original valuation of £1.5million.
EDIT - I've been informed that AC owns half and the other half is a holding company he and Lowe own, so who knows!
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| Chalmers has more than likely offered them Lowe's share.
he would stay at the club?
There is some $hit stirring stories released about the Bulls from various quarters at the minute,
You can't beat a bit of a hate campaign.
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| Well, FWIW, I emailed the RFL this morning to ask why the article was taken down from their website. I got the following prompt response;
[i"In order that our website rugby-league.com can deliver interesting stories to fans regularly it automatically pulls across stories from the Press Association feed relating to Rugby League.
We want rugby-league.com to be a place where news and stories can be relied on and therefore in order to stop speculative stories that might be factually incorrect appearing we have a system in place in which they are flagged to our team, unfortunately this speculative story, slipped through without our knowledge and was automatically published. As soon as a member of the team realised it had been published it was immediately removed."[/i
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| Quote ="woolly07"Why should the owner tell us everything? It is his business and nothing to do with us till it comes out in the correct manner - not by the press association and twitter.'"
You are entirely right, of course, but you would hope an organisation relying on customers wouldn't take that approach.
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| The whole business of 'keeping people in the loop' is a difficult thing to get right, to be fair, though I think comparing the Bulls to Esso is more than a bit on the daft side too.
I've often felt that some of the things fans expect to be told are way out of order. You can't conduct the business of acquiring players or bringing in finance, on social media. Fine, people feel the 'need' to know, but at the expense of losing the player or deal because the information got into the wrong (ie. a competitor's) hand? I'd guess not.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"...though I think comparing the Bulls to Esso is more than a bit on the daft side too.
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Oh, I don't know; we're overpriced, regularly run out of gas, and are made to look like fuels ...
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Oh, I don't know; we're overpriced, regularly run out of gas, and are made to look like fuels ...'"
When you put it that way...
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| I don't understand AC's statement that we are not looking for any investment. Why would we not be? As usual, something doesn't quite add up.
Everyone still trust him completely then? Just because he was personable and funny and has a beard?
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| Quote ="debaser"I don't understand AC's statement that we are not looking for any investment. Why would we not be? As usual, something doesn't quite add up.
Everyone still trust him completely then? Just because he was personable and funny and has a beard?'"
I trust him to make the Bulls as strong as he can,as cheaply as he can, to generate value which he can cash in eventually. I also trust him and the RFL to make sure the Bulls exist at least until 2019 and to improve the academy along the way. I don't know why those are priorities, but they seem to be top of the list.
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| Has this now put to bed the "Koukash is the money man and secretly owns us" rumours?
I thought AC said he was always looking for investment. Its what those investors want in return that may be the sticking point.
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| Quote ="debaser"I don't understand AC's statement that we are not looking for any investment. Why would we not be? As usual, something doesn't quite add up.
Everyone still trust him completely then? Just because he was personable and funny and has a beard?'"
The problem with his statement is probably all about whet is meant by the term "investment".
If someone wants to put money in to help the Bulls without any silly strings attached then yes, I agree that I wouldn't understand that.
But what if there are ridiculous strings and terms attached. Chalmers won't conduct this business on social media which is why he can't say anything.
I just wonder if other people are aware that the Bulls are about to get some good news regarding a new stadium etc and are wanting to now jump on board.
We don't know and probably never will know the truth about these claims but I do know we were saved and are seemingly being run as a very tight ship at the moment.
All we can do now is hope his intentions are good and built on solid foundations - and he and whoever is behind him really do have achievable plans.
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| Quote ="Duckman"Well, FWIW, I emailed the RFL this morning to ask why the article was taken down from their website. I got the following prompt response;
[i"In order that our website rugby-league.com can deliver interesting stories to fans regularly it automatically pulls across stories from the Press Association feed relating to Rugby League.
We want rugby-league.com to be a place where news and stories can be relied on and therefore in order to stop speculative stories that might be factually incorrect appearing [u[size=150we have a system in place [/size[/uin which they are flagged to our team, unfortunately this speculative story, slipped through without our knowledge and was automatically published. As soon as a member of the team realised it had been published it was immediately removed."[/i'"
Big announcement - the RFL have "a system in place" which doesnt work! - its obviously based on their blueprint for every other system they put in place
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| Quote ="woolly07"The problem with his statement is probably all about whet is meant by the term "investment".
If someone wants to put money in to help the Bulls without any silly strings attached then yes, I agree that I wouldn't understand that.
But what if there are ridiculous strings and terms attached. Chalmers won't conduct this business on social media which is why he can't say anything.
I just wonder if other people are aware that the Bulls are about to get some good news regarding a new stadium etc and are wanting to now jump on board.
We don't know and probably never will know the truth about these claims but I do know we were saved and are seemingly being run as a very tight ship at the moment.
All we can do now is hope his intentions are good and built on solid foundations - and he and whoever is behind him really do have achievable plans.'"
I'm not sure just who would put money into someone else's business with no promise of any return or influence on how it is spent. I fully accept that a rugby club is in a different position to a 'normal' business but, even in that quite specific scenario, as the financial backer putting in a sizeable amount I'd expect some kind of input into the decision making and depending on the size, maybe even a place on the board. Even as a fan I'd be hard pressed to hand over a really large amount simply as a donation, even though, along with many others, I actually did hand over a small amount a few years back.
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| Wonder if the offer still stands?
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| Surprising that a guy that new what our position and prospects were, and was also seen as a safe pair of hands by the RFL, is ready to bail within a year. Surely the RFL didn't get it wrong by insisting that Chalmers be the only preferred buyer.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Surprising that a guy that new what our position and prospects were, and was also seen as a safe pair of hands by the RFL, is ready to bail within a year. Surely the RFL didn't get it wrong by insisting that Chalmers be the only preferred buyer.'"
Why does it have to be one or the other?
Is it beyond the realms to see Chalmers as the steady hand, working away on building up the infra-structure of club, whilst loukas provides the money and the flamboyance. After all, just as much as Chalmers is Mr Invisible, Koukash loves the spotlight! And we know that Koukash has the dosh that Chalmers so obviously lacks...
You could say its a bit of dream team really
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Surprising that a guy that new what our position and prospects were, and was also seen as a safe pair of hands by the RFL, is ready to bail within a year. Surely the RFL didn't get it wrong by insisting that Chalmers be the only preferred buyer.'"
I don't think Chalmers was selling his half. I thought it was Lowes share that was being offered due to hid ill health because it stated £750k a which meant they valued the club at 1.5M.
why can't Chalmers stay with a new investor?
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| [urlhttps://twitter.com/GranadaReports/status/913819418437783552?s=09[/url
The interesting bit as far as the Bulls are concerned is at 3.35 where he is asked directly if he would consider buying the Bulls, he smirks, doesnt say yes or no and just reiterates he's off on holiday for a couple of months and buying a Salford season ticket....
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| Seems the octor is taking some time to review his future. He will be back before Christmas with a present for his wife. Where that will be is the question, but I do believe it will be in Yorkshire.
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| Of course he's buying the Bulls, he sort of already has with ChaLo and the ops manager involved before him to stabilise the club
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| Quote ="woolly07"I don't think Chalmers was selling his half. I thought it was Lowes share that was being offered due to hid ill health because it stated £750k a which meant they valued the club at 1.5M.
why can't Chalmers stay with a new investor?'"
Where the hell are they getting that valuation from?
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Where the hell are they getting that valuation from?'"
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