And that is why I blame some of the first team players more than Green. I believe they have let him down more than he has let us down. Even Ferres who did right in going must have done something right for 2 years to balance the books. After the BCB forum last night my opinion of Jimmy is getting lower and lower which is such a shame. I live a few doors from the parents of a current first teamer and what I have heard of Jimmy and his awkwardness and attitude wasn't good.

Maybe not 10K, But i reckon a very good crowd would have rocked up. We got 9.5k last year against Leigh. So lets say for arguments sake we would have also got 9.5k. that's around 6k tickets sold. Lets call it £15 per ticket considering some will be juniors/concessions etc. That's 90k just from ticket sales alone. Hospitality would have been full. Then money from beer, food sales etc

Also we would have had Hull KR (Excellent away support) and Leigh (Again excellent away support) I reckon you're talking around £300k from ticket sales, hospitality, refreshment sales just from those 3 games. We'll be lucky to make 3k in the next 3 months!

That's before we even get to the central funding.

As Woolly said, i still hold a grudge against this squad and their performances have massively contributed to the money shortfall. Let's not forget we were also knocked out in the first round of the challenge cup by PT Dewsbury, yet more lost income.

I feel for the players not getting paid and it is plain wrong. But i haven't forgotten or let them off for the their quite frankly unprofessional performances this season.

If this were actually the case then Fev's and Mark Campbell's bank accounts would be frozen every other month.

If the Bulls had of finished in the top 4 then Green could probably have borrowed some money somewhere(probably the RFL) against the guaranteed extra funding from making the middle 8's.

Of course the extra revenue would keep the wolves from the door for a while but I only see the club heading in one direction. Green didn't have the funds available while Safeguard was seen as a profitable business. Now it's in liquidation with an estimated£4.2m(?) of debt and talk of borrowing more money?

Now that is a complete bad idea.....look what happened the last time the RFL gave Bradford a loan.....cost them their lease on the ground....

Sincere apologies for intruding at a difficult time for all Bulls fans ...

Just wanted to ask *I have asked a similar question previously* ....

Can any of you Bulls fans see your Club ground sharing with Wakey or Cas ?

Now, I didn't go to Wakefield last season & when travelling away I am usually on a coach & had a couple of sherberts by end of play so I never remember the geography of Yorkshire RL Stadia but, would it work ?

Could Bulls share with one of these Clubs either in a new Stadium in a 'Middle Ground' between or Co Exist in a current stadium ?

All this on the proviso of surviving current issues or a takeover 'hostile' or not by a new investor.

Apologies again, wouldn't wish it on any Club so I will leave you be, interested in your thoughts.

Bit of a distance away plus on some of the most congested roads in West Yorks (and therefore the UK). Can't see it.

I don't have a problem with us being outside the city boundaries. Not important to me at all. Ease of access for all supporters is though. Both of those are too far, and essentially predicated on access to a car.

Wakey is two bus rides.

Dewsbury is two bus rides.

Cas is most likely a trip into Leeds for either train or bus.

Ah I see lads...

a definite none starter then.

Seems many share the idea that Odsal, other than not being a great viewing experience & a monstrous carbuncle 'as Prince Charlie' would call it' is a more than negative contributory factor to your financial stability.

Wish you all the best.

Edited for accuracy

Is a move to Valley Parade out of the question?

I get the feeling that Odsal is a massive millstone around your necks and that you'll never be a force again until that circle is squared.

I think if the necessity of it is explained properly then no, it absolutely isn't.

Like Bullseye I was one of those who voted out of there, back to Odsal and now regrets that entirely emotional choice.

edit: Though what the cost of that is is another story altogether. It belongs to the Flamingo Land pension fund, not Bradford City. They pay through the nose to play there. As would we.

Figure that was banded about last time subject was seriously discussed was around 5-6k to rent VP for a game and open one block of a stand. Compared with 7k a month we pay per month (not per game) at odsal. Downside of odsal is we have to pay maintenance. But upside is we control and receive revenue from all concessions,bars and hospitality. At VP we presumably be sub letting from football club and they'd be providing those services but taking the profit. So we'd lose further revenue.

Can't see horsfall as a viable option as it wouldn't be SL standard without massive investment. Move to a ground where we can't at least reistically aim for promotion and majority of supporters would call it a day IMO.

Theres a better ground than all those mentioned just down the road infact some of our fans would speculate it would be like home from home.

Odsal is like a big old house and costs a lot to keep. It’s also not ideal for income generation either as the corporate side of things is a bit shabby when compared with what’s available at Headingley, Hudders and any number of hotels etc.

It’s also not exactly inviting for regular spectators, it offers 1930s levels of comfort in the 21st century.

While it holds heaps of happy memories for me it’s time to leave. It’s not iconic it’s a museum piece. While plenty of new stadiums are lacking in soul they enable the clubs to live on.

Moving to City wouldn’t be ideal and we’d be the junior partner. Ground sharing would probably end in tears. Our chance to do it on an equal footing has been and gone.

Horsfall would probably need a load of money spending to bring it up to speed too.

I can’t see any other feasible options. We’re stuck where we are at the moment until we get a massive cash injection from somewhere. Shame our local authority didn’t build a new ground years ago as has occurred just about everywhere else.

Well it could be the beginning of Tony Gartland's dream coming true

Staying in a ground where we are not financially stable enough to keep our star studded academy, and then fold anyway, is surely worse? We are not going to get promoted in the next 5 years anyway, so we need to work out what positive things we CAN do.

Bradfax Blue Bullox?

To be honest if those thousands of glory fans (which only seem to exist in Fax fans minds) are still with us after the years of laughing-stock-ness we have become, then fair play to them.

I mean, if they actually liked lower league rugby, arguments with councils and financial turmoil they would have 'gone back' to Fax years ago.

They were all generally claimed to be from Shelf anyway, [url=http://i.imgur.com/TcoanBa.jpgwhich I put a bit of effort into proving is closer to Odsal[/url than anywhere in Halifax a bit back. (Not taking into account the flat straight road from there to Odsal, or the twisting mountain passes and many opportunities for ambush from there into Halifax).

[size=50If I can ever be ahsed to do that again I promise not to forget Featherstone exist.[/size

It is my understanding that the rent at Valley Parade is in the region of £450k per year, it was double that but the directors bought the offices back and sold them off along with the car park as a school. That part of the rental agreement wasn't held by Flamingo land, the stadium was held by Flamingo land and due to Gibb and Rhodes hating each other sale was never on the cards. Now City have new German owners maybe maybe a sale is on the cards but then again would it actually be any cheaper than Odsal and you'd probably have to beg City to hold events as they would probably have first dibs on using the conference suites. I passed there the other day and they had a speed awareness course running so they seem to be pushing the facilities 365 days a year.

Weren't Rhodes and Lawn interested in the Bulls last admin? They were one of 4 bids with Green, Mandy and Lamb. I wonder if those two are bored of not having a club hands on yet and fancy Rugby League.

From a Wakey perspective, would you share with Warrington and Widnes at some rugby-less spot between all three?

Think that'd have to be Ikea, quite handy access from the motorway.