Very fair post IMO. I was interested to read ME response but he seems to have chose to ignore it.

Can we have a special thread dedicated to those who want to snipe at each other please?
Ta.

TBH, I had not chosen to ignore it. I just had not actually seen it till you quoted it.

However, reading through the post there there are some things that I agree with and there are some that I disagree with.

So far we have been better than some of the sides mentioned, and I know that I will get my usual stick for this but are people seriously suggesting that the likes of Hull KR and the Catalans are anywhere near as good as they were last year? Because they clearly are not. Bullseye also does not really answer the post of mine that he subsequently posted too. I said that we were beating the lesser sides but our record against the stronger ones was dreadful and whilst this continues the thought of finishing fifth is a pipe dream.

A lot has been said about our lack of strength in depth which beggars the question why we chose to spend a large proportion of our cap on one player when it was clear that we needed more depth. This money could have been spent better on improving the squad.

Also, what of McNamara's world class youth policy? He has been in the job long enough to have more in the squad than we are seeing.

We won't finish as high as fifth and we are currently in a false position as we have had a half decent set of fixtures in the early stages.

Wigan will top the table, followed by Leeds, Wire, Saints and Hull FC in fifth (who will make even bigger improvement on last year than we will despite so few teams being able to do it.) Ourselves and Huddersfield will battle it out for sixth.

Bookmark this and fire it back at me at the end of the season if I am wrong.

BB, you chose to ignore my original post in regards to 3 points out of a possible 14 (TBF, you are not alone, as the usual suspects are strangely quiet on this too) So what is your take on that fact? And all the other members of the PT for that matter?

If you try to suggest that you are happy with that then I really do despair. But then, I will not likely get a response till a few of you are on at the same time because it is clear that people on here prefer to hunt in packs.

How have Hull KR gone to pot with Morgan in charge Eddie? Had he ceased to be a good coach? Or are on-field performances sometimes outside the coach's direct control?

Apposite to [url=http://www.lyricsfreak.com/b/black+sabbath/paranoid_20019415.htmlsome things you read on this thread[/url?

A lot has also been said about McNamara making too many average signings. I think it is clear that this years recruitment was quality over quantity.
I remember you calling for the club to make a 'marque' signing, in Orford they did this whilst also addressing a very weak area in the side.


Has he? He has undoubtedly IMO laid some solid foundations and we have seen players such as Whitehead and Donaldson break through in the last couple of seasons. But I reckon it takes a bit more than 4 years to develop a similar production line to the likes of Leeds or St Helens.


Well we've played everyone at least once now, so surely it isn't a false position? Who knows how the 2nd half of the year will pan out but we undoubtedly need to avoid too many injuries.


I think we could do better still against some of the so called bigger sides for sure. But why are the likes of Leeds,Wire, St Helens the benchmark when apparently we are not spending the same amount of cash on players?

Hopefully we can get a result on Sun, it's a massive game for the club and it could really help boost the feel good factor that has begun to return to the terraces. We've played some good football this year, I just hope they show some of it against Wire.

In the fear of being called "Paranoid", I assume that this piece of comedy genius is aimed in my direction? The only problem with that though is that if it was only me who identified some of the bullying tactics by yourself and others on this board then you may have a point. Sadly for you though, it has been remarked upon by other people too which seems to suggest that it is not just in my head.

I am not entirely sure why it is that you seem to expect me to answer every question you ask yet you seem to have a bit of form for completely ignoring straightforward questions posed to yourself that possibly goes against your argument?

However, as I seem to have a bit more cojones than yourself I will certainly give my opinion of the Hull KR scenario, from an outsiders view.

First things first, you do not become a bad coach overnight so in the case of Mr Morgan I am not entirely sure that this is the reason. However, no matter how well you do and whatever you achieve, a manager/coach position will always end up with one of two scenarios. 1. the coach moves on, or, 2. the coach is sacked. Whatever the sport this will always be the same.

Now KR have done very well over the last couple of seasons and have possibly been punching well above their weight in a similar way to our friends in France have been doing and sooner or later but there is no doubt that the wheels have come off their bandwagon quite a bit. Perhaps Mr Morgan has taken the team as far as he can?

One thing for sure is that KR do not just seem to be losing, they are getting completely thrashed every week now and something is obviously seriously wrong at the club. Whether or not there is internal wrangling at the club then I am not sure as I do not tend to follow the ins and outs at Craven Park on a regular basis but ultimately if the results do not improve then Mr Morgan will face calls to be sacked, unless he walks away from a job he may now not feel capable of doing.

Ironically, it is a situation not too dissimilar to the football side in the same city with Phil Brown who had done a great job in getting Hull to the Prem and keeping them there but eventually we all knew that it you "over-achieve" then the only way is eventually back down again whatever your capabilities are.

I am still not sure what you mean from suggesting that "on field problems are sometimes outside the coach's direct control" because at the end of the day, the coach carries the can for the ultimate performance of the players he picks to play on the park. If the team has a disruptive influence, then he should not be picked to play for example. The coach recruits and coaches their players so they are solely responsible for how performances play out. Therefore Mr Morgan's jacket must be on a very shoogly peg.

If you are going to call people bullies then you need to have very good grounds for that.
Personally I think it's childish of you to take a disagreement with your own opinions as bullying.

Also if you are going to quote "others" then at least provide sources.

I didn't respond to your post because Bullseye answered it quite neatly. Your description of fifth as a false position when Bulls have played every team, bar last team's champs and wooden spoonists is bizarre. How much more balanced a set of results could you get? Beating so-called inferior teams is part of the process of a league competition and as I think Sam pointed out, the reason Leeds are above us on points difference alone despite having taken three points from our head to heads is that they have been less good at taking points from the teams you decry as a gimme.

As for your Morgan post - you venerate the sack like a article of faith. Here's my prediction, both Hull KR and City are unlikely to match their achievements under Morgan/Brown with another coach any time soon. And on their messageboards they will probably have people harrumphing that this just isn't good enough.

Are you suggesting we're really no better than in 2009 and it's other teams that have deteriorated rather than us improving? If so then you're on very shaky ground IMO.



Beating the lesser sides is an improvment on last year, do you agree?

Our record against the stronger sides is what you'd expect when you compare playing squads on paper. I've said before the season started that a finish of 5th would be very good considering the squad we have so by that reckoning our curent position of 6th isn't bad at all. By your reckoning you must think that we're doing well too all things considered? We can speculate as to what may happen in the coming months but our position so far is a big improvement on last year yes?



We went for depth in 2008 and 2009 and signed a lot of average players rather than quality. It didn't work and I argued against it at the time. I don't recall your opinion but you can't argue that the side isn't playing better rugby this season and some of the standout performers have been those players who cost a bit more like Orford and Kearney. Would you rather we spread the money out and kept such stunning performers as Ben Jeffries, and Simon Finnigan. If you want top quality instantly you have to pay for it.



What do you know about player development to make that kind of criticism? As experienced a coach as John Monie said in his biography that even the best academy system there is with access to all the best young talent can only be expected to produce one top player per year. Occasionally you may get a glut of players through but that is the exception. Under McNamara's watch we've seen one world class player come through and a small few are just starting out like Whitehead and Donaldson. Not a bad showing considering we weren't like Wigan under Monie in 2006 and are never likely to be.

Strange you did not question G1 when he mentioned bullying on this very thread. I wonder why that was?

However here are some of Adeys examples. He did not like Asim so his spat out the dummy till Asim was no longer a mod on here till he came back. Punisher. How many aliases did this guy have because every time he said something, Adey and FA in particular joined forces in order to get him banned. Adey also has had a dig on here about paranoia, knowing full well that i suffer from depression. Paranoia is one of the effects of depression and it was a cheap shot. He knew what he was doing.

As for childish? I think you will find that there are a few on here like that. I do not care WHO agrees or disagrees with me.

I've had enough of the bitching now so this thread ends here.