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| Communication hasn’t been a strong point of the club in the past couple of years. That said it’s doesn’t take a genius to work out what’s going on. We’re in a pickle financially and it’s touch and go until we get some season ticket money in and some big earners off the books. This situation is going to last some time and I can see why Green doesn’t want to give a running commentary on it. If he comes out with titbits of info that “we’re dealing with it” then he’ll have to do it every pay day.
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| Quote ="BeechwoodBull"I mentioned on a different post about needing some reassuring messages from the club, but was told by the oracle "Did I want the club to lie"....'"
You're missing the point, so I'll spell it out: If money is so tight that you know you're going to struggle to pay all the wages on time for the foreseeable, then what "reassuring message" can you honestly put out, without lying?
So come on, in that case, what would you have them do?
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| The point is that one Green first arrived and we had those big fan meetings - there was one at Cedar Court where I ended up in the overflow due to the huge numbers, for example - there was a lot of stuff from him about 'I'm as honest as the day is long' and 'You'll find me a pretty straight kinda guy' (It's from memory but I [ithink[/i they are word-for-word quotes)
Now, I know a lot has changed since then, but you really can't ride into a club and make those kind of statements, and not have people reminding him that he said those things if he then chooses to go completely silent and say absolutely nothing for months on end.
I don't exactly know what kind of 'statement' Marc Green could or can make right now, or what he could do to assuage the fears. But somehow he needs to do something to rebuild trust with a whole section of the fans who appear to be losing faith with the club.
In a few days we'll be hearing about the season ticket offer. It won't be enough to just rehash the line about 'if you want a Super League Quality Squad then you have to be willing to pay for it'. He fed us that line for the last two years, and we've got steadily worse!
He's got to do a bit more than that to get me buying a season ticket again, I'm afraid! It's a case of twice bitten, thrice shy...
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| It's going to be innovative though, supposedly. So that'll be fun. Perhaps it'll be a ticket to entertainment, or something!
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Andrew Fifita is talking about ditching NRL due to him not being selected to play for Oz.
Get them both signed up.'"
How he hasn't made Australia's team is beyond me. He was class in the first 30 in the NRL grand final and has been a standout performer for the Sharks all season.
Yep, sign him up. Two year deal.
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| Quote ="debaser"There must be nearly enough for a team now, the Bradford Judas 13...'"
Jamie Peacock as captain?
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| Seeing posts about PJ as a backup hooker - what's up with Lumb? Is he not good enough? Has he been moved out the back door? Is he long term injured?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You're missing the point, so I'll spell it out: If money is so tight that you know you're going to struggle to pay all the wages on time for the foreseeable, then what "reassuring message" can you honestly put out, without lying?
So come on, in that case, what would you have them do?'"
What part of my post didn't you understand? I clearly said some reassurance is needed along the lines of, " we are sorting it out, or stick with us its tough but we are getting there. I then went onto comment about the Phil Joseph signing. I can't believe they are not giving some indications to potential signings of something is going on to stabilise things. If that's not the case then why would a professional player on a super league contract with a year still to go, come to a club who (we are told) cannot guarantee to pay wages on time. I wouldn't do it if its my primary source of income, and I suspect neither would most people.
I also went onto say they are surely going to have to say something to help to sell season tickets, a point backed up the Paul Walker71 post.
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| Quote ="DrFeelgood"Seeing posts about PJ as a backup hooker - what's up with Lumb? Is he not good enough? Has he been moved out the back door? Is he long term injured?'"
I think it was meant as a fill in if say Smith feels one game we have to go with 4 big forwards on the bench for certain games and OB needs a 10/15 minute breather
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| There's no way Joseph will be playing hooker. Smith's already gone on record saying we're well stocked in that position.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Smith's already gone on record saying we're well stocked in that position.'"
Maybe with numbers, but I'm not sure we are with quality.
Lumb still looks quite raw to me. Could be a good player, but I don't think he's ready to be playing 40 minutes every week. After that, the option is Halafihi, who I've not seen any quality whatsoever out of, and couldn't even get in the Swinton sides most weeks.
We're ok while O'Brien is fit and healthy. If he goes down, I think we're struggling.
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| Well same applies to a few positions.
I think Lumb is in front of Halafihi from what little I've seen.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Well same applies to a few positions.
I think Lumb is in front of Halafihi from what little I've seen.'"
I would agree with that. Largely because Halafihi has looked terrible every time I've seen him.
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| Quote ="BeechwoodBull"What part of my post didn't you understand? I clearly said some reassurance is needed along the lines of, " we are sorting it out, or stick with us its tough but we are getting there. I then went onto comment about the Phil Joseph signing. I can't believe they are not giving some indications to potential signings of something is going on to stabilise things. If that's not the case then why would a professional player on a super league contract with a year still to go, come to a club who (we are told) cannot guarantee to pay wages on time. I wouldn't do it if its my primary source of income, and I suspect neither would most people.
I also went onto say they are surely going to have to say something to help to sell season tickets, a point backed up the Paul Walker71 post.'"
The word I'd give for that is, 'platitude', not reassurance.
I'm far from sure just what actual 'reassurance' we can be given, unless there really is is some genuine light at the end of the tunnel - like a new backer coming in or maybe, just maybe, due to the "exodus", the financial load, is going to ease sufficiently to allow us to go forward. If things really are at the bad end of all the scenarios then I seriously can't imagine how we're signing players or even paying the wages at all. So I, and we, probably have to accept it's not [iquite[/i as bad as in our nightmares.
I'm not sure how you would tell people that 'we're not exactly totally up the creek without a paddle and we're just, sort of, coping and hoping for the best' without frightening off a significant number. Truth is we can't afford to frighten off any more.
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| When I speak to Bulls staff they seem relatively upbeat all things considered.
I'll be buying a season ticket.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"The word I'd give for that is, 'platitude', not reassurance.
I'm far from sure just what actual 'reassurance' we can be given, unless there really is is some genuine light at the end of the tunnel - like a new backer coming in or maybe, just maybe, due to the "exodus", the financial load, is going to ease sufficiently to allow us to go forward. If things really are at the bad end of all the scenarios then I seriously can't imagine how we're signing players or even paying the wages at all. So I, and we, probably have to accept it's not [iquite[/i as bad as in our nightmares.
I'm not sure how you would tell people that 'we're not exactly totally up the creek without a paddle and we're just, sort of, coping and hoping for the best' without frightening off a significant number. Truth is we can't afford to frighten off any more.'"
Platitude is probably a better word. I am really hoping and praying the club can say something rather than nothing, to give me the "reassurance" that my club is not that far down the tubes that there is no light at the end of the tunnel, if only for the sake of season ticket sales. Thanks for your comments.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"When I speak to Bulls staff they seem relatively upbeat all things considered.
I'll be buying a season ticket.'"
I'm upbeat for next season. We have our spine sorted and have a bit of depth there too. Need some big forwards but there's always plenty of forwards about.
Slightly off topic but Moley has put on Twitter that HKR are about to bring Scott Prince out retirement to Play for them next year. He retired at the end of 2013. He will be 37 at the start of next season...
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I'm upbeat for next season. We have our spine sorted and have a bit of depth there too. Need some big forwards but there's always plenty of forwards about.
Slightly off topic but Moley has put on Twitter that HKR are about to bring Scott Prince out retirement to Play for them next year. He retired at the end of 2013. He will be 37 at the start of next season...'"
Wow.......
At least Pryce is a couple of years younger and has been playing and training regularly
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| I can't see Prince holding up physically on a cold wet Sunday up the slope at Batley at his age. He's in for a shock if he comes over.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"I can't see Prince holding up physically on a cold wet Sunday up the slope at Batley at his age. He's in for a shock if he comes over.'"
Aye. And with him being dead, he'll struggle to keep shuttling back the 10, as well.
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| Good point. Even alive I think he lacked the physical presence needed.
Lots of individual flair though.
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| Always has a purple patch on him too.
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| Hasn't really peaked for the last 17 years either.
He did do a cover of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U_Make_My_Sun_Shine"When Will We B Paid?"[/url though, so maybe best suited for Bradford.
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| Pretty sure Addy is definitely off, AoB has basically just said his goodbyes to him via an instagram/twitter post.
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