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| Quote ="tigertot"I am not entrenched, unless that means being correct from day 1.'"
I like your sig - who posted that? FA?
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| Quote ="AndreaB"All by you or your (few) tedious friends.
Message to Eddie :- nobody else is listening!'"
Yet you replied?
How strange.
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| Quote ="AndreaB"All by you or your (few) tedious friends.
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Idle Bull - Tony Smith Thread.
Ancient Provocateur - McBanana thread.
Neither of the above are me, nor are they people I have ever met therefore could barely be classed as a friend.
Stop making things up for goodness sake.
I know that it upsets people that Mr M has more and more detractors but that is more down to his own clear failings rather than anything I (or anyone else) say on here.
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| Maybe people would be less likely to cast aspersions on your support of the club if you didn't post threads on the subject of their difficulties, titled "don't you just love it?".
If a team does less well than it previously or even if it plateaus at a certain level (Charlton under Curbishley are a good example of this), a section of the support will always get on the coach's back. I'm pretty confident that this is a weird trick of reverse logic - if it's the coach's fault then the problem can be easily remedied. It saves the believer from considering the unsettling possibility that this may be as good as it gets for their club right now.
I'm not surprised by the anti-SM sentiment, and I too am pretty stalled with the circular and repetitive arguments that go on. But on the other hand, I'm loathe to let unfair criticisms and calls for action that would surely be counter-productive stand unchallenged.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Neither of the above are me, nor are they people I have ever met therefore could barely be classed as a friend.'"
And to think I immortalised you in the McBanana!
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| Quote ="AndreaB"Message to Eddie :- nobody else is listening!'"
Your just jealous cos your not in the McBanana
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| Quote ="af"Maybe people would be less likely to cast aspersions on your support of the club if you didn't post threads on the subject of their difficulties, titled "don't you just love it?"'"
Why bother? I do not go to many games (not through choice I add), some people do. Therefore, their opinion is more valid. That is how it works right?
However, FWIW, are some people so dim as to realise that if i [idid not[/i care about the club then I would not give a damn about how bad we are doing?
As for the title "Don't You Just Love It?". Personally I was referring to the latest bunch of anti-McNamara threads started by others. It was meant to be ironic and provocative. It clearly worked as, despite comments to the contrary elsewhere, it has got a reaction.
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| a new coach won't do jack.
this is as good as it get's for the bulls at the present time.
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"..There's no reason that a replacement can't be announced to take over at the end of the 2009 season, as with Smith and McClennan at Leeds. Much more stable way of changing coaching staff.'"
Do you think so? I preferred it when they came up with rib-ticklers like the one about Smith only minding the shop till Powell returned, best laugh in ages that one was. Return my It still makes me laugh now
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| Quote ="mystic eddie" it has got a reaction.'"
Some in the positive, some in the negative. The majority - Oh God yet another McNamara thread, can you not just give it a rest for a few days?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Do you think so? I preferred it when they came up with rib-ticklers like the one about Smith only minding the shop till Powell returned, best laugh in ages that one was. Return my
It still makes me laugh now
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My point is that coaches should not ideally be changed mid-season. Both Smith and McClennan came into the job having full off-seasons at Leeds, and in both cases the departing coaches left with some dignity. My argument is that McNamara should be given at least until the end of next season, unless the team are really poor.
The idea of Powell being 'promoted' may seem laughable now, and to be honest I don't think many Leeds fans are either embarrassed about it or care that much given the rewards reaped under Smith. In many ways it helped ease the transition. That said I'm not suggesting that something similar be done with McNamara if he is deemed to be surplus to requirements. I don't think he's the type who will accept being 'moved upstairs', or being turned into a number 2.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Some in the positive, some in the negative. The majority - Oh God yet another McNamara thread, can you not just give it a rest for a few days?'"
And?
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| And - If you are just out to get a reaction of any sort, I am a bit disappointed in you because that is what a troll looks to do. I thought you were trying to change peoples opinions on McNamara. It is the quality of your discussion in the threads - not the quantity of threads that will achieve that. I agree with AF - I think we have managed not bad this season with what we have had available in the financial climate we have had to work with. A different coach may have managed 4th place instead of 5th but that is about it.
Also - I don't think McNamara will be asked to go this close season and I also don't believe the board will countenance a mid season sacking (this isn't football - and it is also not the way Bradford does things) so he is here for another year. When is his contract up for renewal?
So it is fairly pointless how much criticism is laid at his feet at present because it is his and the teams performance next year that will decide things.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Why bother? I do not go to many games (not through choice I add), some people do. Therefore, their opinion is more valid. That is how it works right?
However, FWIW, are some people so dim as to realise that if i [idid not[/i care about the club then I would not give a damn about how bad we are doing?
As for the title "Don't You Just Love It?". Personally I was referring to the latest bunch of anti-McNamara threads started by others. It was meant to be ironic and provocative. It clearly worked as, despite comments to the contrary elsewhere, it has got a reaction.'"
TBH, Eddie, your posts come across a little like your mind was made up some time ago and now you're quite eager to be proved right. This may very well be unfair, but your reaction to the undeniably reasonable observation that McClennan gets much more assistance from his predecessor's youth policy than McNamara did little to disprove it.
I realise that I've come across as a dogmatic supporter of Hood and SM this season, but I guess that's because my view is this - they are prepared to do their respective jobs. That's no small thing in the absence of qualified candidates of a similar disposition.
This really is rehashing old ground - was thinking of posting another point along the lines of 'You think we've got it bad, look at Halifax', but I think we need one SM for/against thread, and then those who wish to avoid it can do so easily.
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"My point is that coaches should not ideally be changed mid-season. Both Smith and McClennan came into the job having full off-seasons at Leeds, and in both cases the departing coaches left with some dignity. My argument is that McNamara should be given at least until the end of next season, unless the team are really poor.
The idea of Powell being 'promoted' may seem laughable now, and to be honest I don't think many Leeds fans are either embarrassed about it or care that much given the rewards reaped under Smith. In many ways it helped ease the transition. That said I'm not suggesting that something similar be done with McNamara if he is deemed to be surplus to requirements. I don't think he's the type who will accept being 'moved upstairs', or being turned into a number 2.'"
McNamara is already a number 2 coach.
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All these comments came from the man himself.
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3691350.Macca_bemoans_fine_line_between_success_and_failure/Macca bemoans fine line between success and failure
6:50am Monday 22nd September 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3653028.Macca__There_s_a_whole_lot_more_to_come/Macca: There's a whole lot more to come
7:20am Monday 8th September 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3650770.McNamara_bullish_ahead_of_play_offs/McNamara bullish ahead of play-offs
5:09pm Friday 5th September 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3567664.Nowhere_near_good_enough__admits_Macca/Nowhere near good enough, admits Macca
7:20am Monday 4th August 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3562946.McNamara__I_m_up_for_the_challenge/McNamara: I'm up for the challenge
9:32am Friday 1st August 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3202098.Bulls_must_exorcise_TV_demons/Bulls must exorcise TV demons
6:10pm Thursday 10th July 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3184173.McNamara_demands_improved_standards/McNamara demands improved standards
5:36pm Friday 27th June 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/3175041.Bulls_overcome_their_demons/Bulls overcome their demons
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2326996.McNamara_defiant_after_latest_setback/McNamara defiant after latest setback
6:21am Monday 9th June 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2325778.McNamara_wants_to_see_quality_streak/McNamara wants to see quality streak
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[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2311036.No_excuses_as_Bulls_crash_out_of_cup/No excuses as Bulls crash out of cup
6:35am Monday 2nd June 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2290816.Bulls_must_go_back_to_basics/Bulls must go back to basics
6:16am Friday 23rd May 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2246274.Macca_slams__dreadful__Bulls/Macca slams 'dreadful' Bulls
8:51am Sunday 4th May 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2137937.Bulls_embarrassed_as_Rhinos_run_riot/Bulls embarrassed as Rhinos run riot
6:51am Friday 21st March 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2087067.Macca__No_cause_for_alarm/Macca: No cause for alarm
9:20pm Sunday 2nd March 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2067956.McNamara_regret_as_Bulls_toss_it_away/McNamara regret as Bulls toss it away
1:31am Saturday 23rd February 2008[/url
[url=www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sportbulls/sportbullsheadlines/2033389.Early_days_yet__says_Macca_of__rusty__Bulls/Early days yet, says Macca of 'rusty' Bulls
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It's part of a coaches job to talk to the media, and if you're going to mention him bigging us up alot etc, would you rather him say we're cack?
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