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| Quote ="I_Pitty_Stevo"The news article describes him as a half or hooker. I’m wondering if he’ll take the bench hooker role with Hallas dropping to loose or 2nd row in place of Laithwaite.'"
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| Great news. We need another halfback for sure to provide cover for injuries and loss in form. Lilley needs regular rugby for the same team rather than chopping and changing. He's certainly good enough for us in L1 and the championship.
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| Says more about current leeds than bradford for me
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| Last week I mentioned we could possibly go for Lilly and some thought I was crazy. I am delighted to officially announce that I am not!
I wasn't bashing Chizzy but I have had a feeling about Chizzy that he isn't an organiser.
I come from a generation where there were some halves that were not quick but they managed the pack superbly. This is how I see a good scrum half. I have stood and cheered when Chizzy does a bit of brilliance but then watched the forwards for tens of minutes just plodding forward with little guidance. We then finish with a kick to the wing. We are building a very good pack but they need a general telling them what to do.
Kear himself constantly says we are not playing at our best. I now wonder where he thinks there must be an improvement. There will always be a place for players like Chizzy and Sammut but I would guess that most coaches would rather have a traditional organising scrum half. If you have pace out wide and at 6 plus a big strong and mobile pack you don't need a fast scrum half. You just need a clever one who is the general.
I hope Chizzy doesn't leave but am delighted Lilley is here and hope he can now feel belonged and start to fulfill his real potential. Keyes must now be made full time so there is no desire to move to a championship club when we will soon be one.
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| Chizzy is a stand out because of the league he is in.
Against better teams he d be nullified. No big queues for his services before remember.
Sorry I forgot Sheffield.....
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| A slightly strange move on the face of it.
It's true to say we have no 'proper' cover at half, that is to say no 'out and out' halfback, though we have a number of players who haven't let us down when asked to play there. The big question is whether he's coming to be a 'back-up' or a first choice, and to nail my colours to the mast, I don't feel we have a problem with our starting halves - and yes, I know Chissy has blown a little hot and cold lately but he had a bad injury remember and Keyes has been generally excellent. However you look at it we haven't exactly been crying out for a another half, or even an occasional hooker.
That said, JK has made the decision and he knows far more about the background than we do, so we must accept that he knows best.
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| I am going with the hooker cover with Sam H hitting the 2nd row.
Unless Keyes has committed the cardinal sin of signing for fax next year....
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| Was Keyes on a 1 or 2 year deal?
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Was Keyes on a 1 or 2 year deal?'"
[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15553361.Keyes_signs_up_for_two_more_years_at_Bulls/2 Years[/url
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"[url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/15553361.Keyes_signs_up_for_two_more_years_at_Bulls/2 Years[/url'"
Thanks, So if he was to sign for Halifax they would owe us some ££££?
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| Quote ="RickyF1"Thanks, So if he was to sign for Halifax they would owe us some ££££?'"
Wasn't Keyes one of ones on a part time deal ( or am i getting him confused with Minchella?). If so I'd expect theres a release clause if someone offers him a fulltime deal.
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| Quote ="mat"Wasn't Keyes one of ones on a part time deal ( or am i getting him confused with Minchella?). If so I'd expect theres a release clause if someone offers him a fulltime deal.'"
Keyes was definitely part time originally. No idea if that's changed at any point though.
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| Keyes is part time and remains a Bull.
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| Elliot and Joe are both part time and both in their first year of two year deals
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| Does this now explain why we are sending Butterworth out on a long loan.
If you could only have Butterworth OR Lilley who would you rather have at this moment and the whole of next season.
I am happy with this today and hope we end up with three top halves as there is always someone carrying a knock or lost a bit of form. I like Lilley and think he just needs to settle at one club and one top coach and he could really shine - but I still want Chizzy and Keys to stay with us long term. Another good day after many years of gloom.
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| Quote ="mat"Wasn't Keyes one of ones on a part time deal ( or am i getting him confused with Minchella?). If so I'd expect theres a release clause if someone offers him a fulltime deal.'"
Fax aren't fulltime.
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| Didn't he have his own Magic Hat song last season?
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| Really pleased with this. A quality third half back to add competition for places.
There is a really good 8 min or so long interview with him that the Bulls posted this evening. He was very honest and says he hasn’t been enjoying his rugby being pushed from pillar to post and it sounds like he really needs some stability and to be at a club where he can start to love playing rugby again.
Sounds like the poor lad is at the end of his tether and had been enjoying coaching at Stanningly more than playing.
It’ll be interesting to see him in action in a winning team rather than a Bulls team on minus 8 or a Leeds team decimated by injuries.
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| Quote ="psychostring"Really pleased with this. A quality third half back to add competition for places.
There is a really good 8 min or so long interview with him that the Bulls posted this evening. He was very honest and says he hasn’t been enjoying his rugby being pushed from pillar to post and it sounds like he really needs some stability and to be at a club where he can start to love playing rugby again.
Sounds like the poor lad is at the end of his tether and had been enjoying coaching at Stanningly more than playing.
It’ll be interesting to see him in action in a winning team rather than a Bulls team on minus 8 or a Leeds team decimated by injuries.'"
Agreed 100%. The kid has talent and he now needs to be in a stable environment. Getting the odd game for Leeds behind a beaten pack and the odd game on dual reg isn't the way to develop.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Agreed 100%. The kid has talent and he now needs to be in a stable environment. Getting the odd game for Leeds behind a beaten pack and the odd game on dual reg isn't the way to develop.'"
It was encouraging to hear him saying he’d already met up with Chisholm, Keyes and some of the others for a catch up too. Should hopefully silence some of the questions/rumours about the current half backs that people started raising/speculating about when it was announced.
I don’t see this as anything other than good business for the Bulls and a much needed move for Lilley, bringing him back to a place he is already loved by the fans and working under a quality coach. Somehow don’t think Lowes and Sinfield and a side under pressure is what his career needs right now.
Oh and I meant a Bulls side on minus 12 not minus 8! I guess this pleasant season made me forget some of the strife we went through last year.
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| Quote ="Nothus"Fax aren't fulltime.'"
That's what I thought, to be honest. I also doubt that they have more money to splash about than we do.
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| Wow listening to that interview the poor bloke really is down in the dumps. I really feel for him as a young lad who has started to doubt himself. Even to the point where he appears to volunteer that he shouldn't play against York nor for a couple of weeks after. His confidence is utterly shot. Good interview and very candid but I didnt enjoy it.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"Wow listening to that interview the poor bloke really is down in the dumps. I really feel for him as a young lad who has started to doubt himself. Even to the point where he appears to volunteer that he shouldn't play against York nor for a couple of weeks after. His confidence is utterly shot. Good interview and very candid but I didnt enjoy it.'"
Completely agree. The opening couple of minutes were pretty raw. Throwing him in this weekend is still 50/50 in my opinion. I'm sure JK will have a look this week and see how he goes.
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Completely agree. The opening couple of minutes were pretty raw. Throwing him in this weekend is still 50/50 in my opinion. I'm sure JK will have a look this week and see how he goes.'"
You're being very generous at 50/50. After watching the video and listening to the guy, he'd only be allowed into the team if either of our starting halves were in doubt, IMO. I watched him last year and, to be honest, wasn't too impressed. Hope he fits in this time, and that the current playmakers welcome him as a positive addition to the squad.
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