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| Toovey was introduced as the messiah - but he didnt deliver us from the valley of death.
I'm happy for us to give Jon Sharp a shot at coaching us.
I dont care what baggage he brings with him - its results on the pitch that determine whether we go up or down in this league.
I dont care if he puts his pants on his head sticks pencils up his nose and says "wibble wibble" if he gets us promoted he will have done better than the last handful of coaches we've had.
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| It's true, the best coach for us in 2018 is one that;
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Everything else is a distant 3rd. If that's Jon sharp, so be it. We really can't afford to be hanging around in league 1.
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| He will be announced either tomorrow or Thursday at latest by the club. In Jon we trust Hopefully he will get the lads rowing in the right direction
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| Not convinced but i'll give him a chance before writing him off.
I don't think it is an appointment which will help to shift season tickets. So now we know he won't be staying, it's fair to say the Toovey thing was a complete waste of time. (I'm tired and it has been a long day so maybe I am being harsh.....)
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| Short to medium term he'll be OK. He will help get us out of Ch1 and maybe the top (ish of Championship). then IF things change and we go up to SL at some stage, he will try at the top level and find his own level. Mid table, because he will struggle to sign the best players.
It's an interesting one.
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| I have also been told we have appointed an assistant coach.
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| Absolutely over the moon with John sharpe, this guy will make us good, I don’t know him personally but he comes from a good pedigree, after all he has been in this game in England over 30 yrs, Toovey had no idea, my dog could have got better results than that guy, he was totally out of his depth, and never ever looked happy or comfortable here, my only regret with John sharpe was not seeing him pull on a bradford shirt, because he could play a bit too
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| Serious thinking to do about ST now. How can someone with such a shoddy reputation attract player worth anything to the club? Would rather have McBanana back FFS.
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| Seems opinion is split.
I agree we need a coach that can get us out of C1. Is Sharp the man? Only time will tell. I DO care what baggage he brings because the last thing we need is a toxic culture in the dressing room. I do wonder what research the owner has done to come to the conclusion that Sharp is the man for the job. He did well at Fev. In fact he outcoached Rohan Smith that fateful day in 2016. Then he was "let go". The reasons given for his departure don't ring true to me. The goings on at the RFL sound very dodgy indeed. I only hope nothing like that happens with us.
I think those bagging Toovey should take time to consider what handicap he was working under. He came over with no idea what he was getting into. No idea who the players were. Those players were ones that no other club was interested in signing (or they'd have gone). There was no pre-season, no nothing. Despite that we were looking good to stay up until the rug was pulled out over Easter and the loan players went back. When we started signing players it was too late. People who are angry about last season should look at the owner and the RFL before having a go at Toovey.
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| If you're just going by his coaching record then I'm not sure how anyone can have any complaints. Jon has been successful at pretty much every club he's coached at.
Fev were consistent in the championship for the three years Jon was there, and tbh they were and still are never going to go any better than making the top 4. Replacing Sharp for Duffy was never going to make a difference in terms of how their season ended.
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| Quote ="Nothus"If you're just going by his coaching record then I'm not sure how anyone can have any complaints. Jon has been successful at pretty much every club he's coached at.
Fev were consistent in the championship for the three years Jon was there, and tbh they were and still are never going to go any better than making the top 4. Replacing Sharp for Duffy was never going to make a difference in terms of how their season ended.'"
He's only coached at two clubs though Nothus and at Hudders he didn't exactly break any pots - they were glad to be shut of him in the end. He did well at Fev, I agree with you there. I too agree they're not going to improve on what he achieved with Duffy or anyone else. It makes you wonder why they got rid of him doesn't it?
If Sharp can avoid putting noses out of joint behind the scenes and make us hard to beat and get us promoted then I'll be happy.
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| It's clearly horses for courses and our course has to be promotion. If he does put some noses out of joint then so be it. Personally I got sick of hearing players say what a great place it was to play whilst at the same time we slid further and further down the leagues. Maybe we need players raising their game to get noticed by bigger clubs in the hope of a transfer rather than players that are comfortable where they are.
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| The baggae debate is interesting. Whatever baggage he did or didn't have at Fev, he got that Fev team playing out of their skins on that day against us. Whereas our lot didn't turn up under Rohan (who we all adored)
Jimmy was adored when appointed, yet didn't get the results when it mattered. Same with Rohan. So if Sharp can get results then who cares.
That said he's clearly not popular with the fanbase overall. Doesn't seem very charismatic and if he doesn't hit the ground running (i.e an opening day defeat to York) then the fans won't have any patience and will quickly turn on him. L
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| It may seem unfair to prejudge and the results on the field are what counts.
But a large part of his job is man management, team building and motivating - none of which he managed to do while holding the post of Referees Controller.
In fact he managed the exact opposite.
He was in charge of Featherstone when the beat us easily - that may have been his skills or Bulls were just so poor it made them look good - who knows?
As for ruffling feathers - can't see it.
He apparently "gets on well with Duffy", who seems to have more clout now then ever (real bad news). Also see RHP is back in the fold too...
So two of the team who oversaw the Ferres farce and did/said nothing remain in position.(more real bad news)
My money is staying in my pocket until I am proved wrong - and I will be happy to be proved wrong!
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| Bulls now confirmed Toovey isn't coming back.
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| Being totally ambivalent as to whether Toovey returns or not, Sharp, leaving aside some unproven allegations, seems to be a decent coach, and especially at our level we're unlikely to get anyone better.
I sort of agree with the idea of getting in a new younger coach but whether or not we're in any position to attract any of those people (assuming we know who they are) I'm really not sure. It's pig in a poke time and yes, it can come off but a steady away, like Sharp, is probably the better decision.
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| Anyone commenting on thinking John sharpe isn’t good enough to get us out of this division and move us on , put your money where your mouth is, I will have a wager with anyone who is prepared to put it up or shut it up, look forward to hearing from you negative folk soon, I hope
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"The baggae debate is interesting. Whatever baggage he did or didn't have at Fev, he got that Fev team playing out of their skins on that day against us. Whereas our lot didn't turn up under Rohan (who we all adored)
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I think anyone could have motivated them to do that.
'Hey lads! Here they come, Full Time professionals who think the badge will carry them through, beers on me when we sink another dagger into their over inflated ego eh? We'll laugh our c0cks off when they are stuck in the shield! Full Time my butt!!'
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| Quote ="Molsk111"Anyone commenting on thinking John sharpe isn’t good enough to get us out of this division and move us on , put your money where your mouth is, I will have a wager with anyone who is prepared to put it up or shut it up, look forward to hearing from you negative folk soon, I hope'"
Christ on a bike McNamara could get us out of this league. It's the qualities of the man people are questioning.
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| People seem to be forgetting that anyone however talented and rated has to start somewhere. No bright young coach is going to come in coaching Australia. And there are not many jobs, especially in the UK. And of the jobs in the UK, whilst the Bulls clearly ain't what it was, it is a hugely more interesting and promising gig still than the considerable majority of all other pro- and semi-pro- clubs.
Unless nobody with talent and ambition wants to go into RL coaching any more, we should have no problem at all attracting the best of the current wannabees, and I should imagine plenty of the incumbents of lesser roles at less well known clubs.
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| He is here to do a job for the bulls, anyone who is judging this guy on anything other than rugby league, are sad, because it’s about the bulls not about his past, everyone has a history, but surely we should be looking forward to the future of the bulls
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| Quote ="Bullseye"at Hudders he didn't exactly break any pots '"
Not quite true. Respectable finishes in SL during his time there. He also took them to a CC semi-final and a final - albeit with a lot of financial backing from Ken Davy. I can't comment on his brand of rugby - not familiar enough with the sides that he's coached.
As for all the other stuff - they are just rumours. He left the RFL with their best wishes, so however he is alleged to have behaved, it clearly wasn't raised as part of any grievance procedure. And yes, I'm conscious that we aren't talking about the most professional organisation in the world - but nevertheless it seems unfair to cast aspersions without proof.
In fact if previous posters are subtly suggesting that he directly caused someone to commit suicide, then that poster should perhaps rethink his/her post and the admins should also consider the possible consequences of such veiled accusations.
FWIW - as someone who would have liked to have seen someone like Karl Harrison come back into the fold in a coaching capacity, I don't see Jon Sharp as being a million miles away in terms of his experience/approach. So if these rumours are true, I'd be fairly positive
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| Fa is right in that we should be able to attract one of the latest and brightest potential coaching candidates (people have mentioned Lee greenwood in this regard previously) so if it is going to be JS, and we do appoint an assistant, I'd hope we appoint a young ambitious coach as number 2, so we might get the best of both worlds. Someone experienced and steady to get us toughened up and out of league 1 and nuture our own potential replacement for the future at the same time?
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