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| Several good questions Bullseye.
But AC is a true business man (you can see that in his list of companies) so he will give us all the answers that makes us feel warm and secure.
Then he'll just carry on regardless of our feelings. I cant see him making money out of this latest venture (unless £'s cross palms for the ground/site) so he's either in this to tick the Bulls off his bucket list or as a favour to his pal Nige.
I'd be surprised if AC was still with us this time next year unless promotion (to SL2) is guaranteed.
He will probably use my list of "poll answers" as a check sheet at the forum because at least one of them could answer every question.
But I genuinely respect you guys that are going and will ask him the tough questions; you've stuck in there when most of us have called it a day.
But irrespective of his answers, if we choose to support this club - we need to win more games than we lose; whatever league we are in - and he has known that since January.
I'll give him that it was a really shoite start to the season with minus 12, no players, no club etc - but he knew that was what he was buying. So this season he has a clean slate (albeit the court cases/ET still hanging over us) so this is his last roll of the dice.
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| If I think about this season (I try hard not to) then what grates is we made a fantastic start and would not have been relegated if we'd added the necessary bodies to keep a reasonable standard up. Instead we stood on the tracks doing nothing, despite everyone knowing the Easter train was coming, it hit us, and we never recovered.
You can all say what you want about player availability, I'm sure that if we'd had had a decent amount of money available then we could have plugged the gaps at least enough not to sink. TBF ChaLow always made it clear they didn't have the money but it didn't make the pill any less bitter to watch the completely predictable collapse.
Ironically, keeping the ship afloat in 2018 (if they do) will likely cost them much more money than raising enough to plug the gaps would have done pre-Easter.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
Ironically, keeping the ship afloat in 2018 (if they do) will likely cost them much more money than raising enough to plug the gaps would have done pre-Easter.'"
Good point that. Question for tomorrow night "Which do you think is the least expensive course of action 1. Buying players to prevent being caught under strength over Easter and the following weeks and thus avoiding relegation or 2. Spending an entire season in C1 and having lower attendances?
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| I think they'll probably come back with the signings of Chisholm, Smith etc. If Chisholm hadn't have got injured in the SB, i genuinely think we would have been alright. We never recovered from the thuggery game against Dewsbury, Weak refereeing allowed kids to be hurt that day. You could see the whole squad just deflate. I think a few were shook up from what was allowed to happen that day. Losing became a habit and with referees allowing the nonsense in the Swinton, Dewsbury games etc to carry on, our young squad just weren't experienced enough to rise above it.
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| It was the expectation and then the disappointment which annoyed and irritated me. We were told by one journalist we were to have a jaw droppingly good coach named. It turned out to be Toovey. The "expectation" was that surely he would be backed by incoming players. We announced the squad numbers with no 10, 12, or 13 listed. Again the "expectation" was that reinforcements would be coming. But nothing happened. From then on as we know, nothing happened and absolutely no communication all season from the board, apart from the Q & A a couple of forum members tried to drag from them. All told a disastrous season, with regrettably for me, own goals which could and ought to have been avoided.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I think they'll probably come back with the signings of Chisholm, Smith etc. If Chisholm hadn't have got injured in the SB, i genuinely think we would have been alright. We never recovered from the thuggery game against Dewsbury, Weak refereeing allowed kids to be hurt that day. You could see the whole squad just deflate. I think a few were shook up from what was allowed to happen that day. Losing became a habit and with referees allowing the nonsense in the Swinton, Dewsbury games etc to carry on, our young squad just weren't experienced enough to rise above it.'"
Should've signed Chisholm from the off. Instead they let him go to Sheffield and then there was the subsequent messing about.
Not sure if that was down to the work permit issue.
I'd rather not rake over old coals tomorrow night but I'd like to know why they didn't come clean about the visa delay from the off. That and the away kit fiasco made the owners look like amateurs.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Should've signed Chisholm from the off. Instead they let him go to Sheffield and then there was the subsequent messing about.
Not sure if that was down to the work permit issue.
I'd rather not rake over old coals tomorrow night but I'd like to know why they didn't come clean about the visa delay from the off. That and the away kit fiasco made the owners look like amateurs.'"
Indeed. What's done is done. It's all about the future now.
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| Maybe a question could be can next seasons away kit be the actual one we were supposed to have this year too!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Should've signed Chisholm from the off. Instead they let him go to Sheffield and then there was the subsequent messing about.
Not sure if that was down to the work permit issue.
I'd rather not rake over old coals tomorrow night but I'd like to know why they didn't come clean about the visa delay from the off. That and the away kit fiasco made the owners look like amateurs.'"
We were told that it was because they couldn't get in contact with him. Honestly (!!).
The players that were signed were there when they got the club, Chisholm was unreachable on the other side of the planet.
They did admit that NOT signing his was a mistake and with hindsight they should have chased and procured him before Sheffield did.
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"We were told that it was because they couldn't get in contact with him. Honestly (!!).'"
They also told you that the problem with the dipsh*t in charge of the website and social media was being sorted, and yet he's still out there making mistakes left, right and centre.
As much as I and others appreciate you guys trying to get some answers, I think it's become apparent that most of those answers were, to pardon the pun, Bull.
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Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge that their plans for this year have been rocked, and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....
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Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge that their plans for this year have been rocked, and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....
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Quote ="bringbackjimmy"Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge that their plans for this year have been rocked, and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....'"
To he fair they should have finished 4th place minimum given the quality of the team and the fact part time teams had to to venture over to France. This kind of press release reminds me of Marc Green
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Quote ="bringbackjimmy"Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge that their plans for this year have been rocked, and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....'"
To he fair they should have finished 4th place minimum given the quality of the team and the fact part time teams had to to venture over to France. This kind of press release reminds me of Marc Green
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| Quote ="iseeyoujerryjerry"This kind of press release reminds me of Marc Green'"
Same thought occurred to me.
As far as Toulouse not finishing top 4, they only have themselves to blame. They can argue to the cows come home that Hull KR threw the game with Fax in the last round (and you can certainly see why accusations may be made), but if Toulouse had won games they really should have won, they would have controlled their own destiny and that result wouldn't have mattered.
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"We were told that it was because they couldn't get in contact with him. Honestly (!!).
The players that were signed were there when they got the club, Chisholm was unreachable on the other side of the planet.
They did admit that NOT signing his was a mistake and with hindsight they should have chased and procured him before Sheffield did.'"
Sorry, that excuse might have flown 10 years ago. But in today's world of global communication saying you can't get hold of someone is absolute rubbish.
It was a sign of the ineptitude that has haunted the club since the new owners took over
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Quote ="bringbackjimmy"Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge Quote that their plans for this year have been rocked,'" and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....'"
Your sure there was a plan then?
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Quote ="bringbackjimmy"Let's hope that, no matter what the future might hold, we get a rallying call on Wednesday like the one from the Toulouse president here:
www.totalrl.com/toulouse-target- ... nish-2018/
We don't want the usual guff of excuses for this year - we're fully aware of the results.
We need to hear the main people acknowledge Quote that their plans for this year have been rocked,'" and that next year we'll see a totally focussed, committed, well managed and skillful team, who will play with passion and pride for this once great club.
But....I'm not holding my breath....'"
Your sure there was a plan then?
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| I am wondering if there is going to be the usual style of a fans forum with an offer of some good news to stem the tide before the barrage of potential abuse? I am not sure this meeting would be stemmed by the minimal good news that it normally offers up. I suspect something might be afoot as the timing leaves them either very under the hammer or naive to say the least? must believe they either have enough to answer the majority of questions i suspect they are already expecting. Just hope it isn't "hi folks great news Geoff and Andrew are definitely staying on next year". hmm lead balloon, rotting apples and pitch forks may all come out in force. Cant make it tonight but wanted to come so hoping for some updates.
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| In the past questions had to be submitted in advance to the club and Stuart Duffy acted as compere to put the questions to the panel. There was limited time for questions from the floor.
This time it seems they're all to be from the floor, which could be interesting. Unless there is some good news to share I suspect it could be a difficult night for Chalmers.
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| Well if there is ANY good news I'm sure we'll hear beforehand to try and soften us all up a little.
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| They've only allowed an hour and a half for questions and a someone with basic communication skills and a bit of diplomacy would, I'm sure, be able to deflect the more 'unwanted' ones. I'm sure many, if not most, questions will relate to "ongoing negotiations", which can't be disclosed, "confidential business information" which would, "put the club at a serious disadvantage", if we were to let that information get out, or would be, "covered by employee confidentiality", so can't be discussed. And, of course, many may well do. Particularly the ones which people have the most curiosity about...
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Well if there is ANY good news I'm sure we'll hear beforehand to try and soften us all up a little.'"
Obviously they're going to unveil a Lego model of the Odsal superdome.
Seriously though it's an important day for the club. For me i hope there's plenty of information about the future. Signings, long term plans etc
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| Looking at Chalmers statements for us and ones he's made in interviews in the past he's very fond of "business-speak" where a lot is spoken but nothing of substance imparted.
It better not be all like that.
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| so some settling news - for amusement as im bored so apologies.
The lesser - some players have signed on for our fight to be promoted next year
we are in talks about building for the future - have sponsors, money and plans blah blah.
the exciting - we have a secret backer and steps forward said individual.
we have a stellar signing that will make everyone turn their heads
or something ridiculous amalgamated from the boards - Swinton/rochdale oldham are merging to create a super Manchester team leaving space for a restructure and as Bradford and salford and sheffield are merging we are going to be kept in championship in a newly formed league.
Also im leaving option open for a news piece prior to forum that may also calm the crowd that may have been planned for today (note this is also likely to be delayed with our fortunes just as it would be relying on outside influences).
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| Looks like good news may be thin on the ground tonight - Ross H tweeting about the Bulls again today saying Toovey will be off home and the club to go part time. Reading that as no full/part time hybrid as current players being offered part time deals.
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| be a bold move - if the fans forum is to be started with news which the fans are not wanting.
I mean Toovey - not seen much to suggest he will be a major loss other than consistency but it would show what a mistake it was letting Smith go for him.
all part time - balancing the books and trying to acquire the best talent for that league makes sense however longer term as has been said it is harder to return to full time ala Sheffield after being successful part time.
So an already tense and potentially hostile forum is not going to end rosey.
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