That would be a major turn up..

And a welcome one.

He is cac

Seems as though he's proving you right

Campbell needs to be our first choice fullback. Or at least recruit a better one for next season. Is Moss getting much gametime at KR??

Anyoe who he thinks hes a confidence player isn't watching this.

4 errors. Awful awful awful. Embarrassing he's on a rugby field

I don't like singling people out - but it did sound like he was beaten too easily for the last try.

Full backs are a bit like goalkeepers in soccer. If they make a mistake it results in an opposition score! So you really do need someone who is a bit more reliable than 'a confidence player'

Perhaps its time to take him out of the firing line and let Campbell play there for a few games?

For those not able to attend today. The contributions by Thomas today.

Another simple missed conversion.
Concentration issue as he is a good goal kicker.

Batley kick, looking like its going out, Thomas decides to pick it up. Near the touch line he then thinks he's Stuart Spruce and decides to try run over the top of the Batley player, gets dragged in touch.
Baley scored next set

Two knock-ons early in the tackle count while on Batleys line. Some dreadful passing too!

Back in the game, attacking Batleys line with momentum with us and Thomas just hoofs it dead giving Batley 7 tackles. Guess what Batley score next set. Did it the other week against Fax too. He's a liability.

Another masterful FB defenisve effort again. This time not on Justin Carney, but Shaun Ainscough. Thomas did his usual party trick of falling on the ground before the attacker was anywhere near him. Not even a finger. At least put your body on the line and slow him down.

His body language is shocking and his head has completely gone. Shouldn't play again this season IMO he's not mentally in the right place for our situation. I'll get accused of scapegoating but im angry at what I've just witnessed.

Special shout out to Mendeika who physically is an absolute mess. His body looks broken. My gran in lead boots can run faster than him. He has an absolute inability to draw any man in. The only player he successfully tackled today was our own player.

I know people don't like blaming individuals for losing, but without those 2, we would have won. Get rid and put in an 19!!

Well I will go all out and say Thomas is the worst fullback I have seen in a Bulls shirt. 'Confidence' player? When has he actually had any? 1 game in his 32 games for us? The only thing I have ever seen him do was a great try against Workington last season when he beat a man then went the length to score. He offers nothing in attack and his defence is woefully shocking. I will be fair and say he is a very good goal kicker though but at the moment I feel like that is all he is being selected for.

I mean I didn't particularly like Ryan Shaw because he couldn't tackle or catch at times but at least he offered a couple of things like goal kicking, very good support play and always seemed to score tries.

This certainly is our season of hard knocks re 'missing' performances and untimely injuries. Mostly to 11th hour signings meant to strengthen us.May be harsh, but have we got the right coach for the job? If nothing else, to improve cohesion and develop the basics in attack and defence. We are also full timers and less skilful part timers seem better coached and know their game plan more than ourselves.There is only so much you could put down to lack of experience. Prior to this regime we had pride in our youth development squad AND in that department..we still have and we are progressing almost with the status quo structure, but little improvement with the new guard re 1st team results. I accept that we have hardly had a settled team and loanees that have been recalled at unfavourable times, but the planning for this important season as been abysmal imo.

Are you sure you were at the game? Because that is complete and total horsesh*t. I'm no Mendeika fan by any stretch, but he repeatedly made one-on-one ball-and-all tackles at Batley. I won't disagree with him being useless in attack, but to say the only player he tackled today was his own is just completely wrong.

However I don't dispute your comments on Oscar. I was at the game today (against my better judgement) and he was bloody awful. That bit where he got dragged into touch after collecting the ball near the line was comfortably the most stupid thing I've seen in a Bulls game in years. All he had to do was run in field, instead he chose to run at the two chasers near the line. The lad is clueless.

His Kicking has also gone down hill

Should be dropped. Nuff said

Whichever division we end up in, the majority of this squad aren't good enough and if they find out sooner rather than later, all the better.

Hopefully we are headed for a big clearout at the end of the year.

It's all very well talking about a 'clear out' but who are we going to get who is decent when we are playing in League One?

It comes back, again, to the issue of full-time vs part-time. If we try and stay full time we are going to be having to sign the very worst players who are prepared to be full-time? Because all the better full-time players are going to play at SL level or top of the Championship level.

As we've seen throughout this season, that level of full-time player isn't good enough to match the part-time players in the Championship.

It [imight[/i just get us through League One, I suppose - but maybe not, as we are going to be up against some highly motivated teams such as Keighley, Hunslet, Whitehaven (or Barrow, whichever doesn't go up with Toronto), Workington, plus whoever gets relegated with us - just the sort of teams who seem to be able to raise their game and roll over 'the mighty Bulls'

Top and bottom money talks. If the money is going to be there to tempt better players they will come, I think with recent signings there seems to be an ability to bring people in. If not its difficult to say where we will be. The fact Phil Jospeh went to Workington rather than sign full time with us said a lot about what was on offer at the start of the year. One thing regardless of league that needs to happen is the complacent attitude we saw under Jimmy. In League One I think part time is the way to compete for the better players if we arent in a position to do a Toronto

Toronto appear to have done alright with a full time squad in League 1.

It's all about the money...

It's true we've brought in names which I'd have though unrealistic a few months back.

Leaving aside the finance, and how it's 'suddenly appeared' when we'd all pretty much accepted that there wasn't any, the one thing we don't know is the content of the contracts. We're all well aware of the, "if a SL club comes in for me", terms and the fact that SL contracts are automatically ended on relegation, but maybe it also works between Championship and Champ1 in exactly the same way? Maybe the new signings, which appear to cover next season, just won't apply if we get relegated. Maybe all our squad will be free agents?

And considering the total lack of answers you get on every other subject from ChaLo, I wouldn't expect to know about those things until said players either turn out for us next season or confirm they've gone elsewhere.

I think its partly about money, yes.

But surely there's more to it with Toronto? Signing for Toronto is an adventure, a project that has something fresh and new about it. It involves living part of the year in a buzzing and vibrant city in Canada, and being part of something that could break the mould of rugby league as we know it.

You'd have to agree, surely, that this represents a more exciting and interesting prospect than signing up for a busted fallen giant that has recent history of not paying it's employees, and has training in the cold and wet Bradford weather?

Or to put it more simply. If a player is offered exactly the same money to join Toronto or the Bulls, which do you think they'd choose?

And a perfectly timed confirmation of this view point from Ryan Brierley

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He went for the free donuts!



Mmmmmm..... donuts

I think it's all about the "Vision".

I would imagine it would be just as easy to sell the packing of getting the Bulls back to the top, with the promise of a super competitive team, with the guaranteed backing of finance. We are a brand, that still holds a place in the recent greats.

Also worth remembering these players that are going to Toronto for a wedge of cash, can't admit that, so an "Adventure" is the next best excuse.

At the same salary, with same "safe" rich owners, i'd expect the Bulls to be just as attractive, if not more so (think about players with families) than the Toronto project.

I've made a similar point before. Obviously the difference between us and Toronto is minted vs skint, but as a challenge, it was always very predictable that they'd have a great season in C1 as the big exotic dig, and create a great buzz about the place. Had the RFL let us do C1, we'd have had a similar big-dog year, all else being equal, and I think everyone would've had a positive year, and would've been a years prep for Champonship, for which we'd then have been at least better equipped. Whereas if we go down, everyone's on a major downer and it won't be easy to recover

Unless, of course, we hit some Toronto style backing as the money will talk as to who stays and comes next year. But that doesn't seem to be our style