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| because on here is not an official bulls source so if the RFL were to kick off about plans been leaked it hasn't come directly from the club?
They can say "it wasn't us that dun it guvnor"
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| Quote ="Bulliac"I've got just one question.
If the owners are happy to speak to a couple of fans, in person, before the game, and then have the results of that meeting put on a message board, then why the hell don't they just organise a proper forum and speak to the fans en masse? Are they just shy? Jesus, they might even sell a drop of beer...'"
Well, yes we put that to him (as there was only Andrew Chalmers there) too.
He said that he wanted to get the building blocks of the club stable before approaching the fans. He realises we have sold a load of in the past and doesn't want to do that, however we did say that the lack of contact was very concerning, and the dearth of information just set rife rumour none of which can be good for the club. We did say that communication with the fans was essential and he did recognise that though. Although we are halfway through the season they have only been in charge for 4 months; a matter of weeks really, and this was from a carte blanche start; no players, no staff, no offices, no training ground, they didn't even have a photocopier so it is a building process and more fan-club contact will be imminent.
We suggested an 'ask Andrew' email address in which he could answer questions and put them on the website initially, although a fans forum is in the offing, as well as some focus groups which are happening now (apparently).
I've written up what I can remember and sent it to FA to add/change/update. When he has done that I'll send it to AC asking him to verify we haven't misrepresented him and then I'll put it up here. And answer any questions you may have, that we can answer too.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Or even a simple "send us in your questions, we'll collate them, and then post something on the website with all the answers" would do the job. Ok, we might struggle to read the answers if they don't type them personally and they let their "media executive" do it, but I would think it would be quite easy for them to do that and it could be of very large benefit in getting some supporters back on side.'"
Ha! Exactly! Thats just what we said!
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| Quote ="bull on a canary"I'm assuming that the visa for Toovey will be covered. Did I hear Mick make some reference to him having returned (or going to return) to Australia recently (or soon) on BCB yesterday?'"
Not quite as far as Australia, but he's applied for it outside of the United Kingdom and should be here this week.
I will keep you posted.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"Not quite as far as Australia, but he's applied for it outside of the United Kingdom and should be here this week.
I will keep you posted.'"
What do you mean applied for it outside of the United Kingdom?
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| IIRC you have to do that, you can't apply for it whilst being here. Ideally you apply before you get here.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"IIRC you have to do that, you can't apply for it whilst being here. Ideally you apply before you get here.'"
That's correct mate.
If you listened to BCB yesterday I explained how it all works.
Short mid-week trip to France. Apply for said working Visa then comeback.
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"That's correct mate.
If you listened to BCB yesterday I explained how it all works.
Short mid-week trip to France. Apply for said working Visa then comeback.'"
Thanks Mick, I did listen yesterday. Must of missed that bit.
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| That's just weird. Why didn't he go to France about 3 months ago then?
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| The club wasn't registered as a sponsor with the Home Office then.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"The club wasn't registered as a sponsor with the Home Office then.'"
Ah, I see. So Toovey is doing a sponsored hitch hike to Paris? I did one of those once. I ended up in Lille.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"The club wasn't registered as a sponsor with the Home Office then.'"
The thing I dont get is how was Phoenix's put in and rejected?
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"That's correct mate.
If you listened to BCB yesterday I explained how it all works.
Short mid-week trip to France. Apply for said working Visa then comeback.'"
It has to be applied for in Aus.
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| OK, I have posted before but probably 12 - 15 years ago.
With respect to the comment by bullseye about the food and drink ban on Sunday. I don’t do Facebook, twitter etc.
I was one of a party of four season ticket holders who did an about turn on Sunday in utter disgust at, what appeared to me, to be a blatant attempt to squeeze more money out of the supporters – after all that has gone before! What made it worse it was done on the back of supposed safety and security grounds. Especially with recent events. How much did the extra staff cost!
We were told you should have received an email about it, which we hadn’t. Season ticket holders are not likely to look at the “game day itinerary” you just turn up. What the heck was I supposed to do with my flask? They did agree, after discussion, to allow a bottle of water in though. No food, definite. How magnanimous.
I told my colleague at work today what happened and his jaw dropped. He’s a Bradford city supporter. They have no problem with flasks at valley parade! More to the point do they do this at other RL grounds? I would have thought the brolly and stools we were carrying would have been more of a ‘security’ problem, but they didn’t seem concerned.
Look we were not getting on plane. We were going to rugby league game. Just how dangerous is a jam butty. Someone somewhere has thought, I know how we can make some money why don’t we.........There needs to be some straight forward common sense being applied during the blue sky thinking sessions. For goodness sake it’s not rocket science to see what the outcome would be!
Anyway that was the final straw for me. It was becoming more of a chore than a pleasure going up to odsal over the recent years. I really thought we were on the up just before the last admin. Most probably won’t bother for the rest of the season. The missus might go with her friend though. Been going for 20 years. Shame really.
Just counting all season ticket holders each game hides the steady drip drip of leaking support. I seriously hope somebody is counting the actual bodies through the turnstiles and taking note of the trajectory. These are their core supporters.
I made some of these point when I unsubscribed from the emails .As for next year, if there is one? Can’t really see it at this point in time.
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| Somebody send Mr Chalmers a link to this forum and tell him to read it regularly. Yes we get the odd numpty but personally I think it's the best platform for fair and reasoned debate about the club. It's ok doing focus groups but some fans will just tell them what they want to hear so they can claim some sort of exclusive link with the owners (the Facebook groups).
They badly need to get a grip of the PR side of things.
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| Toovey's I94 has probably just expired. That'll be why he needs to leave the country. Upon re entry , new stamp.
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| Quote ="IronSideDer"OK, I have posted before but probably 12 - 15 years ago.
With respect to the comment by bullseye about the food and drink ban on Sunday. I don’t do Facebook, twitter etc.
I was one of a party of four season ticket holders who did an about turn on Sunday in utter disgust at, what appeared to me, to be a blatant attempt to squeeze more money out of the supporters – after all that has gone before! What made it worse it was done on the back of supposed safety and security grounds. Especially with recent events. How much did the extra staff cost!
We were told you should have received an email about it, which we hadn’t. Season ticket holders are not likely to look at the “game day itinerary” you just turn up. What the heck was I supposed to do with my flask? They did agree, after discussion, to allow a bottle of water in though. No food, definite. How magnanimous.
I told my colleague at work today what happened and his jaw dropped. He’s a Bradford city supporter. They have no problem with flasks at valley parade! More to the point do they do this at other RL grounds? I would have thought the brolly and stools we were carrying would have been more of a ‘security’ problem, but they didn’t seem concerned.
Look we were not getting on plane. We were going to rugby league game. Just how dangerous is a jam butty. Someone somewhere has thought, I know how we can make some money why don’t we.........There needs to be some straight forward common sense being applied during the blue sky thinking sessions. For goodness sake it’s not rocket science to see what the outcome would be!
Anyway that was the final straw for me. It was becoming more of a chore than a pleasure going up to odsal over the recent years. I really thought we were on the up just before the last admin. Most probably won’t bother for the rest of the season. The missus might go with her friend though. Been going for 20 years. Shame really.
Just counting all season ticket holders each game hides the steady drip drip of leaking support. I seriously hope somebody is counting the actual bodies through the turnstiles and taking note of the trajectory. These are their core supporters.
I made some of these point when I unsubscribed from the emails .As for next year, if there is one? Can’t really see it at this point in time.'"
I stand completely with you on this. And I don't think you'll get many on here that will disagree with your stance.
I totally understand bag checks for security reasons. 100% on board with it.
The idea of banning food and drink and telling people it's for security reasons, is yet another example of them totally insulting fans' intelligence. Sorry, but go f*** yourself. There's no security reason whatsoever that stops me bringing in a f***ing ham sandwich so I don't have to over pay for some crap overpriced food at one of the carts.
If they came out and said "we don't want you to bring your own food, we want you to buy ours, so we're banning food", I would almost respect the honesty, despite being a bit miffed. But this whole "security reasons" again just makes you feel like you're being taken the p*ss out of.
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| Quote ="Fr13daY"..........................................
Personally speaking, I was pretty disconsolate with the club this year, but after talking to him I will be getting a season ticket next year. He deffo sold me that!...............'"
Will that be a season ticket to watch the Bulls in Champ 1, or is AC suggesting we wont go down?
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"I stand completely with you on this. And I don't think you'll get many on here that will disagree with your stance.
I totally understand bag checks for security reasons. 100% on board with it.
The idea of banning food and drink and telling people it's for security reasons, is yet another example of them totally insulting fans' intelligence. Sorry, but go f*** yourself. There's no security reason whatsoever that stops me bringing in a f***ing ham sandwich so I don't have to over pay for some crap overpriced food at one of the carts.
If they came out and said "we don't want you to bring your own food, we want you to buy ours, so we're banning food", I would almost respect the honesty, despite being a bit miffed. But this whole "security reasons" rubbish again just makes you feel like you're being taken the p*ss out of.'"
Did the Monty Python sketch include a bit that said 'attack me with a ham sandwich'?
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| are people jumping in too quick regarding food and drink - The food merchants will pay a flat rental fee to the stadium lease holder to sell their products inside the ground, I doubt the Bulls (Cha-Lo) will see a penny of the takings, that will be all to the benefit of the food stall. Maybe people should look to he RFL (head lease holder) who may be the ones insisting on the no food etc...... so they can increase the rental fee.....
If, as alleged, we are not paying any ground rent or maintenance this year then why would Cha-Lo change the restriction on food??
and didn't this come up years ago at Odsal or am I imagining that?
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| "Security" is the excuse used at the turnstile apparently. Even though it's applied inconsistently.
We've never been stopped from taking a flask in before, not in 30 years. Sounds like an ill comceived and poorly applied policy that should be binned immediately.
As I said on Facebook, Glastonbury festival starts next week. About 250,000 people will be arriving with piles of their own food and drink. There will be bag checks but no restrictions except on glass containers. If they can do that at a huge event why can't we? It just stinks of opportunist penny pinching.
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| Quote ="bullpower2014"are people jumping in too quick regarding food and drink - The food merchants will pay a flat rental fee to the stadium lease holder to sell their products inside the ground, I doubt the Bulls (Cha-Lo) will see a penny of the takings, that will be all to the benefit of the food stall. Maybe people should look to he RFL (head lease holder) who may be the ones insisting on the no food etc...... so they can increase the rental fee.....
If, as alleged, we are not paying any ground rent or maintenance this year then why would Cha-Lo change the restriction on food??
and didn't this come up years ago at Odsal or am I imagining that?'"
I had a similar query and got it on good authority this weekend that the club get a percentage of all food and drink sold in the ground.
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| It just seems the club is trying to annoy and get rid of the last vestiges of a fanbase that the Bulls have remaining so as to make it easier when they turn around at the end of the year and say they're closing the club down
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"It just seems the club is trying to annoy and get rid of the last vestiges of a fanbase that the Bulls have remaining so as to make it easier when they turn around at the end of the year and say they're closing the club down'"
I hate to be 'that guy' but I don't want to say much until AC has checked that what I have written to be put up here is correct, however from what he told FA and me the club deffo won't be closing at the end of the season, and it will actually be expanding regardless of what league we are in.
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| Ooh, you little tantaliser, you..
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