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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I don't know all the ins and outs, but if the Bulls went bust, hasn't he just ensured that he's first in the queue when the administrators move in?'"
Could be yes, could be no. Depends what the actual documents say. However, we can all speculate.
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| Quote ="Nothus"I don't believe for one second that the rfl would agree to sell him/the club the leasehold - after all this time - without doing some due diligence first. Even they aren't that dumb.'"
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| Mick has just stated quite clearly that he has asked for advice on this and says it now means Green and his wife are the first in line as the main creditors if the company folds. He gets his money! this was done just a few weeks ago when we were starting to face a financial black hole due to our league position.
It comes down to two views - he is trying to buy the lease which I just can't see as it would take over a £1m which I don't believe he has if he can't pay players on time. Or, he is setting himself up with a safety net for when it all goes wrong.
I have had a lot of time for Marc after he saved us and steadied the ship but he is a canny business man who will do whatever is needed to secure his own future when mounting evidence shows that he is under pressure from various business areas. What would we all do? Most would bail and not risk the family's future.
I have a very bad feeling about our situation - yet again. How many times can we escape the executioners sword by dodging it before a fatal blow is landed.
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| Been a long time lurker but recent developments have seen me sign up.
One thing that appears on this is that the date of the charge is 11th July 2016 and The date of the winding up petition is the 11th July 2016.
Is that a coincidence or is this winding up petition so serious in the way Mr Green sees fit to protect his investment.
I don't like the way some have reacted on this and seen the scaremongering snowball such are people posting things on twitter with questing directly to companies house and HMRC under the guise of journalism when they could have done this via phone or e-mail not as the attention seeking and scaremongering it's likely to been seen as.
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| The fact it's now been confirmed the players and staff haven't been paid suggests which direction is the correct one I think. Looks to me like someone is sinking the ship and jumping in the lifeboat all the valuables.
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| Quote ="woolly07"Mick has just stated quite clearly that he has asked for advice on this and says it now means Green and his wife are the first in line as the main creditors if the company folds. He gets his money! this was done just a few weeks ago when we were starting to face a financial black hole due to our league position.
It comes down to two views - he is trying to buy the lease which I just can't see as it would take over a £1m which I don't believe he has if he can't pay players on time. Or, he is setting himself up with a safety net for when it all goes wrong.
I have had a lot of time for Marc after he saved us and steadied the ship but he is a canny business man who will do whatever is needed to secure his own future when mounting evidence shows that he is under pressure from various business areas. What would we all do? Most would bail and not risk the family's future.
I have a very bad feeling about our situation - yet again. How many times can we escape the executioners sword by dodging it before a fatal blow is landed.'"
Glad you enjoyed and thanks for listening.
Tomorrow we have the HMRC on and Bradford Council on just exactly who owns what at Odsal.
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| When is the next auction?
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"The fact it's now been confirmed the players and staff haven't been paid suggests which direction is the correct one I think. Looks to me like someone is sinking the ship and jumping in the lifeboat all the valuables.'"
Way below the belt.
To me it looks like Green has put money in, and taken out such security as he can.
But the point everyone seems to be somehow missing is IF the HMRC liquidate us then plainly they could set aside any such charge so it certainly wouldn't serve as any sort of self-preference which frankly I think is a poor inference to make.
I have been saying for a while now that it is plainly obvious to me Green must in one way or another be putting money in to keep us going. Maybe some more of us should remember that.
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| If this charge against the stadium went in at say the same date the winding up order was made it could look a bit "opportunist" and I'd venture HRMC might have something to say about that. Did they occur on the same day?
Green like the failed owners before him must have put money in. I suspect he won't get any out when we go into admin.
As for Odsal the place as it is now is a financial millstone. It could be an asset if the land were sold for landfill/redevlopment etc and used to build a smart new multi pupose stadium (like the one at Leigh or Warrington) on the site of Richard Dunn.
If any good could come of this it could be the RFL and Council getting their heads together to make it happen and give the south of the city something it's needed for years.
Whether there's a professional RL team still around by then who knows.
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| Just the right note of resigned pessimism from Bullseye
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| If the monthly wage bill is a six figure sum, as reported on back page of T&A, then the only way the club could have kept afloat for so long is if MG or others were putting money in. The club would have run out of cash ages ago if not.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"If this charge against the stadium went in at say the same date the winding up order was made it could look a bit "opportunist" and I'd venture HRMC might have something to say about that. Did they occur on the same day?'"
Gotta admit, that's the thing that's swaying my opinion at the moment. I believe I've seen the document that says the date it was put in and it was the same, but now I'm starting to doubt my own sanity so maybe I didn't see it after all. I can't remember now. Who am I again? What's this place? Who do I support?
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| Quote ="HamsterChops" Who do I support?'"
Most of us are supposed to really be Fax or Shudders fans aren't we??!?
Next year though I might be an exiled catalan fan if there's no one left standing at Odsal to support.
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| Quote ="Duckman"Most of us are supposed to really be Fax or Shudders fans aren't we??!?
Next year though I might be an exiled catalan fan if there's no one left standing at Odsal to support.'"
My therapist tells me I support Bradford New Northern Bulls. I've sacked him.
On a serious note, I'm tempted by Toronto if Bulls went under. At least it should be a laugh and I'm trying to weigh up if the wife is stupid enough to agree to me attending a home game, not realising what that actually entails.
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Quote ="HamsterChops"Gotta admit, that's the thing that's swaying my opinion at the moment. I believe I've seen the document that says the date it was put in and it was the same, but now I'm starting to doubt my own sanity so maybe I didn't see it after all. I can't remember now. Who am I again? What's this place? Who do I support?'"
I think these are the documents you are referring to. They were flying around on twitter and I think a guy from Sky Sports was openly commenting on them.
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Quote ="HamsterChops"Gotta admit, that's the thing that's swaying my opinion at the moment. I believe I've seen the document that says the date it was put in and it was the same, but now I'm starting to doubt my own sanity so maybe I didn't see it after all. I can't remember now. Who am I again? What's this place? Who do I support?'"
I think these are the documents you are referring to. They were flying around on twitter and I think a guy from Sky Sports was openly commenting on them.
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| Well no Bulls for me would mean I may just stick to Grand finals and internationals if I can be bothered.
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| That would be it for rl for me. Couldn't bring myself to support anybody else and wouldn't be bothered about internationals if I've not watched it all year. It would all leave a bitter taste. Possibly start watching the NRL.
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| I've always thought it would be good to attend the pick of matches as a neutral but do you think you'd ever get hooked into supporting another team? I have a bit of a soft spot for Castleford which is not a million miles away from where I live. Would that be wrong if the worst happens?
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"My therapist tells me I support Bradford New Northern Bulls. I've sacked him.
On a serious note, I'm tempted by Toronto if Bulls went under. At least it should be a laugh and I'm trying to weigh up if the wife is stupid enough to agree to me attending a home game, not realising what that actually entails.'"
I was going to try the same tactic with my wife, but I might get a bit more of a favourable response to the odd trip to the sunny med than your trans atlantic attempt!
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| Quote ="bullsonfire"I've always thought it would be good to attend the pick of matches as a neutral but do you think you'd ever get hooked into supporting another team? I have a bit of a soft spot for Castleford which is not a million miles away from where I live. Would that be wrong if the worst happens?'"
If the worst happens (and its still just an if) I might just pack in watching RL altogether after 30 years, or I'll attend the odd game as a neutral, the cup finals and GF's I've attended as a neutral have been great, but I cant see myself ever attaching to another club like I follow Bradford, that's not how it works in my head/heart.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Well no Bulls for me would mean I may just stick to Grand finals and internationals if I can be bothered.'"
Why not go for your home town team....?
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| When the old Northern expired in November 1963, I was a schoolboy and went to Batley a few times (they had taken my favourite player at the time Coggle). After being to the Mount in the last two seasons and enjoying the atmosphere and quaintness of the ground if the worst were to happen I may go there to get my fix.
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| Quote ="tigertot"Why not go for your home town team....?'"
Why don't you
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| Quote ="tigertot"Why not go for your home town team....?'"
What??? Huddersfield???
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