Not deflecting owt, it appears the bulls are the only team that does everything by the book an have never told a lie since the beginning of their existence.

What annoys me is your club/players are always blameless which is laughable, a poster blames Whitehead when clearly Bateman put it on twitter first to bring it to everyone's attention.

Koppy walked out of a club obviously unable to pay its players and honour their contracts anymore, IMO the Bulls should not have a leg to stand on, the club that he was employed by died along with debts from what I'm led to beleive.

If I am wrong on that please correct me an confirm that not one person was out of pocket from the club folding and restarting (you don't need to include fans of other clubs or the clubs themselves that helped you out with handouts).

If I am correct then I feel that Huddersfield Giants should not a payed you a penny for Kopczak and the £20k should have gone towards monies owed as Kopczak was an asset of the old club.

Can't see how the new club should be allowed to cream off all the profits but wring its hands of the debts or am I missing something?

Tbf I agree with some of what you're saying, but that still doesn't address the issue that both Kopzcak and Hudds lied to the RFL? Even if you don't believe we should be entitled to anything, do you not agree that the RFL should investigate this, with Thewlis and Kopzcak bringing the game into disrepute?

I understand that it may be a while before you calm yourself down enough to post, and maybe your keyboard will need to be dried out of spittle, but have you ever considered anger management classes?

There are so many things wrong with what you've put, that I don't know where to start correcting you. In terms of Bulls players not getting paid, from this recent one it's the players not grasping the date they get paid. As for last year, the players were paid their full wages for the whole year.

Yes, there may have been people out of pocket when the old Bulls holding company went out of business. But I'm sure if you check there were plenty of people out of pocket when Huddersfield absorbed Sheffield Eagles, so your club is hardly whiter than white in this area so I wouldn't go throwing stones around if i were you.

In terms of Kopczak being an asset to the old club, that's hardly the point given that his contract was transferred to the new holding company which means he became an asset for the new club. But at least you're not trying to deny that he'd agreed to move BEFORE then, even though the rest of SL, including Huddersfield, had agreed not to attempt to sign any Bradford player until AFTER the situation at Bradford was resolved and the player and his new club LIED about this to both Bradford and the RFL in order to try and avoid having to make any payments for a player who WAS under contract and was approached before the anti-tamper deadline.

There was a gentlemans agreement which is worth jack Sh1t3 as you and I know fair well, you cannot transfer someone's contract to a new company without their agreement, and that sums your shower up where you want to transfer the players contracts but forget the debts!!

The Bulls are not the squeaky clean outfit you claim and iirc you were found to have broken the salary cap on the past. Maybe this is a sign of things to come and I'm sure some people will feel you have got what you deserved cos I haven't really seen any punishment just yet?

You need to calm down

Doesn't change the fact that your club and one of your players are liars. Also, I've never said the Bulls are whiter than white. You, however, seem to be getting very het up over the fact that Hudder-Shef Giant Liars also have a less than stellar reputation

Plenty of those about fella

Indeed, we know it is worth jack Sh1t3 to you, because you flagrantly broke it.

Nobody else did.

So their word would seem to be worth something to every other club. Except yours.

Nice.


This is a bit complicated for you, isn't it son? The transferring was done not by our old club or new club but by a chap who was acting as the administrator. Look it up.

Anyway, there is a point there. You lot DID transfer someone's contract to a new company (Huddersfield) without our agreement. Or to be precise, you agreed the deal. On 8th August 2012. Then you lied about it.


You really don't understand anything, do you, poor love. That chap called the administrator transferred the assets. He sold them to a new company. OK Bulls. The full value of all the net money the administrator got in went towards the old club's debts. That's how it works.


Ah, so that's it. No "punishment". Tell us, who exactly should be "punished", and for what? Omar Khan should be punished? The Bulls players should be punished? The fans who support the team should be punished? What do any of them deserve to be "punished" for?

Ok - you stand corrected



The players were the only ones, including Koppy, who were fully paid & protected. Staff, coaches, fans & creditors lost out.



Ah - now this is the interesting bit. The new Bulls company, which as you accept has still been saddled with a £1.5m penalty.

The 3 options for the £1.5m money which the 13 clubs stripped from the new company were :

1) Keep it for themselves
2) Spend it on grass roots
3) voluntarily pay back the creditors (who were owed approx £1.5m) which from your post would have been your preferred option.

Unfortunately Uncle Ken successfully managed to lobby an 8:5 majority to line their own pockets.

Hello Flyingprop? Where's he gone??

Wait till the sun goes down.

When I was working I was paid on the 20th of each calendar month. If that date fell on a Sat or Sun, it was in the bank on the Friday, but sometimes it arrived a day later ie 21st of the month.
I never made a fuss about it and as the company I worked for was a large multinational, you wouldn't think this could happen, but it did. Under those circumstances I cant see what the fuss is about?
If it was past the normal pay date which falls on a weekday, perhaps then is the time to question the paymasters.

Bateman just tweeted "What a joke eh #lieslieslies"

One would hope that he's not talking about the pay issue again. If he is, the lad really is incredibly thick and never learns. Twitter is not the place to vent about your employer.

Also if it is that, it does suggest they haven't yet been paid. If that's the case, the club now are looking like a bit of a shambles too.

It's certainly not the way you want things to get into the public domain.

One could come to all sorts of conclusions.

Whitehead has also been mouthing about it again. Both claim they're not talking about Bulls, but it's obvious from Whitehead's replies to one or two people that it's exactly what he's talking about.

Young lads and social media eh? Good job Bateman is doing a job where he would be in high demand, so he doesn't have to worry about being sacked. If someone in a regular job kept doing that, they would find themselves with no wage any more.

The club will be overjoyed by this episode.

Sounds to me like Bateman agitating for a move? However, someone from the club ought to be putting an end to this nonsense. Surely this does not help our recruitment plans. Who is going to come if there is continued speculation about our ability to pay wages.

Which? All I can find is:

John Bateman ‏@johnbateman1
@icecream4crow I ant talking about the club like I just said

Rob ‏@icecream4crow
@johnbateman1 fair do's. I must admit thats the way it across. Especially with Whiteheads responses.

John Bateman ‏@johnbateman1
@icecream4crow I wud say it if it was mate but it all well at club

Plus, the reports said the players would be paid Monday or Tuesday. Last time I checked, it was still Tuesday.

Right and watch them all get paid tomorrow on the last day of the month and they will look a right set of tools,

fair enough if it was an "admin error" but if that was the case and not paid until friday then BACS transfer will take 3 working days so i would suspect payday tomorrow 31st July

i think we should look past the stirring being done by Whitehead, and Batemans youthful tweeting rather than speaking to the club.

The real issue is that our players and staff should have been paid Friday. It is now the back end of Tuesday and it has not happened. The real moans and questions should be directed at the club, as this is worrying for all those involved, and I bet i'm not the only one fearing yet another administration.

I appreciate OK set out to try and improve communication with fans, but the silence is deafening, particulalrly as he apparently assured Robbie on Friday that the money was there ready to go on Friday so will be out on monday, that became start of the week, and now nothing..

In omar we trust eh?

Players need lessons in Media. Players need to start being punished for complaining about their club. Bateman is a talent but by god he is brain dead! Players need to realise they need to talk to the powers that be, before spouting everything off on social media! It puts the club in a bad light, and the fact Whitehead keeps chirping up just makes me hate him a lot more, as it is no longer his business to get involved with Bulls affairs.

@rosshtanda: @OfficialBullsRL to release statement shortly to outline the club's financial position. #bradfordbulls