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| Quote ="GiantDee"Didn't see this yesterday as I was out a Giants match, but having read about this "dreadful tackle" I watched the Sky replay this morning with some interest. Scruton's tackle was a little late so a penalty, no more than that. It has been blown out of proportion because Phil Clark immediatly compared it to the bad one by the Catalans prop the previous week. It was nothing like it.
Having watched it O'brien took one step between passing and the hit, not three or four. Because of the way his body was turned Scruton may not even have seen the pass. Not the best tackle, but no malice imo.'"
Couldn't have said it better. If you take on the line as a half back you are going to get hits like this....committed,slightly after the ball has gone and most importantly not malicious
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| A few red amber and black tinted glasses on here. Scruton clearly led with the elbow and connected on the bridge of the lad's nose. As you can see from this [IMAGE his whole forearm is within the half-back's brain cavity.
Seriously, if a Giant's fan thinks the hit wasn't too bad (and lets face it we aren't having a mutual lovefest of late) then that says something.
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| I was disgusted to be a Bulls fan after this attack. If Scruton doesn't get a 10000 match ban for that considering the angelic Rangi got two matches then there's something up.
In all seriousess it should have been a penalty but that was it. We're bound to get melodramatic over reaction bile from cas fans like Nottinghamtiger and tigertot but that's due to bias nothing else.
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| Nowt in it TBH. These things happen all throughout the season and nowt gets mentioned. I reckon these poor Cas fans are just being a bit touchy cos they lost their star player for a couple of games and, as such, they are baying for blood.
If Chase was not serving a ban TBH I doubt nobody from Cas would have remembered the incident, never mind keep banging on about it.
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| Quote ="ryano"Meh, looked OK to me. The one thing I did find distasteful was one of the Bulls players holding aloft an imaginary card trying to influence Ganson into sin-binning a Cas player, which he was going to do anyway. No need for it - it isn't "soccer".'"
Absolutely no difference to Chase sitting in the stand making a gesture everytime a Bulls player committed an offence in all honesty.
It may well be distasteful and two wrongs don't make a right but Chase was caught on camera a few times "encouraging" the ref to make a decision. Who is to say that the Bulls player was not just getting in a wee bit of retaliation?
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| Sour grapes which is what we always get after a win against either of the two Wakefield clubs tbh
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza" We're bound to get melodramatic over reaction bile from cas fans like Nottinghamtiger and tigertot but that's due to bias nothing else.'"
In fairness I was one of the few Cas fans that said Chase deserved to be banned, and we would gain nothing from Scruton getting banned. I just think the game, as a whole, needs to address the problem we have at the moment with the number of playersn having to leave the field with head injuries. Last week we had a player stop breathing, it won't be long before something worse happens. Obviously, this is my opinion and others are free to have their own!
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"In fairness I was one of the few Cas fans that said Chase deserved to be banned, and we would gain nothing from Scruton getting banned. I just think the game, as a whole, needs to address the problem we have at the moment with the number of playersn having to leave the field with head injuries. Last week we had a player stop breathing, it won't be long before something worse happens. Obviously, this is my opinion and others are free to have their own!'"
Whether Chase was dealt with harshly or not is an entirely diff issue. Scruton ctaches him late but was arguably commited to the tackle. Had it not been late it would have been fine. It should have been a penalty in my opinion.
Last week a player stopped breathing after a pretty blatant foul that struck him in the head. It should have been more than four tackles for that as it was a cheap shot.
Chase possibly got two games as a result of media attention but that was a foul none the less.
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| Just watched the Scruton tackle again, nothing wrong at all, shoulder to shoulder, committed to the tackle.
What crap Phil Clarke talks saying saying it was similar to the Catalan one last week,that one was a shot to the head a fortnight after Salford man had passed the ball
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| Thought it was a 50/50 call, if a penalty had been given I wouldn't have complained, no more than that though. As aways incidents look worse in slow motion, plus with the angle of the players I'm not 100% certain that Scruton could even see that the ball had been released. A massive fuss about nothing.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"In fairness I was one of the few Cas fans that said Chase deserved to be banned, and we would gain nothing from Scruton getting banned. I just think the game, as a whole, needs to address the problem we have at the moment with the number of playersn having to leave the field with head injuries. Last week we had a player stop breathing, it won't be long before something worse happens. Obviously, this is my opinion and others are free to have their own!'"
Start by getting Chase to keep his elbows down then! Maybe, if you are so strongly opposed to these dangerous tackles, you should post your disgust every time Chase does one of his headshots. You should contact e club and the RFL to complain about him. It might not win you many friends on the Cas boards, but at least you will be able to feel you are doing your bit to stamp it out.
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| If it had been penalised I would have disagreed but accepted it, to be honest. At the end of the day, a big bloke running flat out can't pull up on a sixpence...or even a two pence piece and despite what anyone says Scruton didn't catch the head.
Maybe we either make tackling illegal or stop telling ball carriers to leave it until the tackler is 'on them' before passing the ball - that'll certainly end the problem, even if it kills the game...
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza" We're bound to get melodramatic over reaction bile from cas fans like Nottinghamtiger and tigertot but that's due to bias nothing else.'"
In fairness I was one of the few Cas fans that said Chase deserved to be banned, and we would gain nothing from Scruton getting banned. I just think the game, as a whole, needs to address the problem we have at the moment with the number of playersn having to leave the field with head injuries. Last week we had a player stop breathing, it won't be long before something worse happens. Obviously, this is my opinion and others are free to have their own!'"
Wasting your time. Honest debate is dead on RL forums. Very few people can see past their own colours. It's a shame really, we're headed down the same path as football.
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"Wasting your time. Honest debate is dead on RL forums. Very few people can see past their own colours. It's a shame really, we're headed down the same path as football.'"
Fans take up pre-determined, partisan positions shock - read all about it?
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| Sorry not Bulliacs post. The chump before him.
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| Quote ="debaser"Start by getting Chase to keep his elbows down then! Maybe, if you are so strongly opposed to these dangerous tackles, you should post your disgust every time Chase does one of his headshots. You should contact e club and the RFL to complain about him. It might not win you many friends on the Cas boards, but at least you will be able to feel you are doing your bit to stamp it out.'"
Unfortunately, as I am not Ian Millward or any of the Cas coaching staff I am pretty powerless to change the way Chase tackles. However, if you read my previous posts (or Casforum) you will see my posts about Chase's "tackling" technique, he has got away with more than he should too. I was sat about 10m directly to the side of the Hardaker tackle and I said at the time, before seeing any replays, that he would be looking at 4-5 games. I don't know if my opinions 'win friends' on the Castleford boards, many of the posters (like on here) cannot seem to see past their club colours even when cold, hard evidence slaps them in the face!
I don't need to feel like I'm doing my bit to "stamp out" these kind of tackles, that is up to the RFL (and I don't have any influence there unfortunately!).
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| Just because fans on here don't agree with your assessment of the challenge doesn't mean they're necessarily one eyed supporters who 'cannot see past their clubs colours, even when cold hard evidence slaps them in the face'. Personally I think your view on the incident is nonsense but I guess we will see once the committee announce who is up for trial this week.
I rather suspect that Mr Chase might well have received a much longer ban (if the offence category allowed) if the game had been on Sky and subject to various high quality replays. This is another amongst plenty of other issues I have with having video refs at only some games in SL.
Given the effect of the daft kick off time on a Sat and being live on sky had to our crowd I rather hope they don't visit Odsal again all year to be honest. Another kick in the balls for Omar given we aren't even receiving half our Sky allocation!
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Just because fans on here don't agree with your assessment of the challenge doesn't mean they're necessarily one eyed supporters who 'cannot see past their clubs colours, even when cold hard evidence slaps them in the face'. Personally I think your view on the incident is nonsense but I guess we will see once the committee announce who is up for trial this week.'"
To be honest, I was thinking more about the Castleford 'victim sydrome' that seems to affect so many of our supporters, and was thinking more about the Chase incident rather than Scruton's tackle with regards to Cas supporters not accepting he hit Hardaker in the head.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer" Another kick in the balls for Omar given we aren't even receiving half our Sky allocation!'"
Now I'm not an expert on this but wasn't it the agreement when the RFL paid your players' wages last season?
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Now I'm not an expert on this but wasn't it the agreement when the RFL paid your players' wages last season?'"
They advanced money due from last year, not 2013... well certainly not 1.2M worth anyway. But best perhaps not to open that can of worms all over.
I don't particularly like the Saturday games, especially at the peculiar 16.45 kick off time. It would seem that view is shared by quite a few Cas and Bulls fans too.
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| Quote ="nottinghamtiger"Now I'm not an expert on this but wasn't it the agreement when the RFL paid your players' wages last season?'"
They didn't pay the players wages.
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