That reminds me very much of Warrington under Daryl Van de Velde, and dare I say it, under Cullen too. I felt genuinely sorry for you lot today, not pretty viewing.

Forgot Mark Flannagan.

Obviously a lot of the players above are not at the club for various different reasons not all down to the club and some of them I wouldn't want at the club but Wardle is the worst for me. I would have hoped we would have learnt from our mistakes by the time he left for Huddersfield for more cash than we would or could offer him.

Not been funny but give me Ben Harris over Atkins any day. More worrying for us is the juniors coming through. Are they good enough?? They're getting belted everyweek and a lot of them are full-time.

One player we have let go that could come to bite us is Ben Helliwell. Deemed not good enough for us. But had gone and signed for.... you guessed it Warrington.

No he didnt. McNamara and Peter Hood did. As they did with Fielden, Vainikolo, Hape, Burgess, Burgess.

Your fans were good today, nearly everyone of them stayed to the end and were singing for your team thoughout the game



I know how you guys feel, I have watched the Wire get battered enough times over the years believe me.

Not wishing to rub anything in but you just did not have any smart players out there. No one to give direction or that bit of class. I am a fan of Mick Potter and I think he has shown at Catalans and Saints he is a good coach. I think the loss of Matt Orford hit you hard and you are still feeling his loss.

Can i ask, how many of you came over today?
Because you chanted all the way through and cheered loudly when you scored.
Great effort and you stayed to the end.

One day Mike, when it all is able to come out, you will get a better idea of why the first three of those ultimately had to go. Not that it should be any surprise for anyone other than the flat-earthers in denial of the financial mess we ended up being in. As for the Burgesses, remember it was your mate Caisley who did the deals and heaven knows what else. I doubt anyone, including your hero Brian, could have kept them here in the face of what Crowe had on offer for them.

One bit that a poster missed from the interview with radio leeds was the end bit when Potter was asked what do you need to work on in training he said they have to remedy everything from kick offs to passing to tackling and said he doubts there will be time to address it all in a week. No wonder you lot are cheesed off, surely if loads to do he should give the players extra training in my view.

I can accept losing, in fact I pretty much expected a loss. However after the performance we put in versus Huddersfield I thought we would at least make a bit of a game of it.

As I said in the in game thread, some players just didn't look like they could be bothered today. It certainly wasn't all of them, people such as Koppy and Raynor chased back hard to try and prevent scores. Unfortunately several were just going through the motions and that just isn't acceptable for me. In fact if they're back in the team again versus Hull KR I think I will do something else with my afternoon. And to think some folk on here were happy for the likes of Ah Van to get a new deal!!

I hope he doesn't join his brothers either, I hope he's Morley's replacement.
The boy is a monster!!!

Hopefully they can put this match behind them, it's the game in two weeks that we need to be pumped up for.
If we don't show any desire and effort in the home game against KR then something is seriously wrong.

I suspect it is a case of 'when' rather than 'if' for Tom. If we continue to be lower end of SL side, he'd be a fool not to leave sooner rather than later. It is a short career afterall.

What with other SL sides pinching our youngsters and stupid Russell Crowe tempting our senior players, it's a wonder why we even bother sometimes.

Noble didn't release Atkins that was all McNamara's doing.

That, my friend, is precisely how a few other clubs felt when it was US who were doing the pinching.

It just go's to prove how far off the pace we really are, hope we are better next year as the fan base will not accept this for much longer.

I suppose so, and until we get a sugardaddy like the majority of other SL sides, we'd better get used to it.

Sadly, I fear your argument is irrefutable.

Wardle and Hellewell weren't pinched we offerd them peanuts and rightly so they wen't forthe better offer on the table.

...as is yours.

(irrefutable argument, that is)

Indeed. As happened when we did the same when we were in the ascendency. I was assuming that by "pinched" he meant "able to offer them a much better package than we were. THIS, my friends, is where your sugar daddy really comes in.

Tom Burgess is the biggest 18 year old i've ever seen, he's a beast!! it took 3-4 of our players every time to stop him. Hope you can keep hold of him and he doesn't have his head turned by Maximus Crowe.

I wouldn't say it was a much better package more a realistic offer.