I am not afraid of Islam or of UK becoming an Islamic state. I must admit to being worried when I see Sarah Palin being touted as a possible US president though.
Your growth in population seems to suggest all ethnic minorities are Muslim & the 51% will become Muslim. Obviously they are not. I remember Northern Ireland being predicted as becoming majority Catholic within a generation as they breed like rabbits (present company excepted), this has not happened & I don't foresee a 51% non-white/non-Christian population, nor do I worry about living in a 20% one, even if it were to happen.

Without going into too much detail, it is my understanding that the protests in Leeds were a lot worse than were publicised. There were altercations near Millenium Square and around the town that didn't make news reports (including a wedding limo at the town hall that got trashed).

But I know what you mean

You're just grandstanding. WTF effect would Palin being president in a remote land have to do with life in the UK, as compared with the UK becoming an Islamic state?


It is not "my" growth, it is the University's growth. I did no counting at all. The majority of the growth in population is muslim. Whether you like, don't like, or are completely indifferent, I don't see the point in discussion whilst avoiding the known facts.

Well, it is unlikely to happen any time soon in Ilkley, but let's look at population and birth statistics in Bradford. I say this as simple fact, with no agenda nor comment save to show that, [ide facto[/i, the muslim population if trends continue will undoubtedly outstrip the non-muslim population in Bradford:
From [iThe Annual Report of the Joint Director of Public Health Bradford and Airedale 2008/09[/i


From [iBorn in Bradford, a cohort study of babies born in Bradford,
and their parents: protocol for the recruitment phase
(Born in Bradford Collaborative Group)[/i


Therefore I don't see how you can "not foresee" 51% non-white/non-Christian population, it's quite easy to foresee such a situation within, say, a century, based on the official figures and such studies.

Because we live in the UK where "free speech" is still allowed. Wether you agree with it or not. Its a difficult one.

Free speech I'm all for. But there is a difference between free speech and marching through other people's streets chanting racist slogans. It's incitement to hatred. It's designed to cause trouble and nothing else.

Are you telling me all the muppets that are coming to the march (sorry demo) live in Bradford? Why are they promoting on various websites then trying to drum up support then? Why are they encouraging like-minded (and I use the word loosely) people to travel to join them?

And you really don't know what a racist slogan is? Are you having me on?

No i'm not having you on, i said in an earlier post that the EDL do have a certain element of idiots that attach themselves to the group just as the UAF have theirs and in no way am i condoning racism.

Do you think condeming and opposing Militant Islam is Racist?

Of course he doesn't, but the EDL are a racist group.

You can oppose militant islam without being a racist.

The EDL are not a racist group but have racist people who attach themselves to it. It clearly states on the EDL website that anyone making any sort of racist chants or comments at demo's will be asked to leave, and rightly so..

There is no such thing as 'free speech' in any country. Every country has limits on what is allowed. It's the extent that differs.

Without doubt Bradford will become majority Muslim if current trends persist. I would guess within a 3-mile radius of the centre it already is. I have no problem with that & that is not the reason I have joined the white flight. I do have an issue over how a large number of Pakistani origin men appear to treat women, but that is cultural rather than religious IMO. (I grew up in a household where psychological abuse was the norm so I acknowledge it is not restricted to Muslims.)
But as a city Bradford is in a minority & I cannot see a situation now or in a 100 years when Islam will be the dominant religion. Hopefully by then organised religion will be confined to the dustbin & we educate our children in mutual respect & understanding rather than mumbo jumbo.

If Bradford is to become "majority muslim" then will Islam not be the dominant religion? seems to make sense to me.

I do agee with you that organised religion should be confined to the dustbin but i fear it will take more than a hundred years..

I'm sure the BNP have similar disclaimers on their website.

If you really believe that I think you're being incredibly naive.

No, the BNP have never claimed to be a "multi ethnic, multi religious movement"

The EDL Leader Stephen Yaxley-Lennon aka Tommy Robinson is a former BNP member with a criminal record. Is he one of the racists who has attached himself to the EDL?

Maybe someone should tell the leader? Oh hang on

Maybe he left the BNP because he did'nt agree with their ideology? does not automatically make him a racist..

The UAF claim to be an anti-facist movement that will demonstrate against anyone who holds these vile views, yet they were no where to be seen when our troops were disgracefully abused by Muslim fanatics as they returned home from war..

I was always brought up to understand that democracy in U.K. gave us the right to say what we want where we want and to whom we want if in a proper manner and whether or not you agree with these opinions I would defend their right to express them or are we becomming a police state and we become gagged for certain types of comments. I agree with judge 666 what has it got to do with Bradford Bulls but to the question of violence at these types of demonstrations the violence predominently seems to come from the rent a mob type of spectators who seem to enjoy a punch up. I think let the marches take place and basically ignore them and they will become pointless but to demonstrate and cause violence against them only highlights their cause.

It's nothing to do with the Bulls, hence the OT.

You do have the right to say what you want, in a proper manner. Is this a proper manner? In a rally in a town centre? I am sure lots of people hold a lot of views that others might find distasteful. They don't call a rally to announce them.

And why Bradford? Of all places. An interesting choice don't you think? Do they all live here? Do they f...? So why come here?

The EDL are made up of a lot of people with criminal records for violence. Hence why nobody in their right mind would want them in Bradford. The city has enough problems without it kicking off again thanks to a load of out of towners coming here to cause trouble.

These demos are put on by EDL to cause trouble. That's their cause. They want bother. That gives them more publicity.

That's why there is unlikely to be any counter protest too.

Cracking publicity to be had from being banned as well though.

Rather banned and the city isn't in flames on the news than the opposite.

Of course. But I thought the worry was England/UK becoming a Muslim state[i (the Islamification of England)[/i not Bradford.