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| Quote ="Bullseye"What a pi55er that is.
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My last info was a few months ago though, so who knows?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"So long as it's not Sharpe.'"
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| potter will be next bulls coach
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| I would have preffered Wayne Bennet or Alex Murphy or poached Sean Edwards from Union or Sir Alf Ramsey. But that's the board's lack of ambition for you.
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| Quote ="Exeter Rhino"At least he'd take no prisoners against the pesky Frenchmen.'"
Useful versus Catalans.
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| Potter would be my choice.
It's key, as others have pointed out, to get the right structrue under him too.
Would Potter come as "Director of Rugby" and Brian Mac as head coach?
I suppose, again, it's the money thing.
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| Quote ="bewaresheep"Would we have to pay compensation to 'Quin's if we signed McDermott?
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As I understand it McDermott has a year left on his quins deal so we would have to pay compensation. Unless quins are wanting to release him early anyway, and given quins partnership with the RU side and Denis Betts leaving gloucester with no apparent destination I suspect that may be the way things are going.
Think Potter for a year or 2 with McDermott as number 2 would be ideal appointment for us. Both know english game thouroughly and potter has good links down under for recruitment at end of next season. We'd have a known progression for the head coaches job so the transition to McDermott in a year or two would be a lot smoother and players signing would know who they would be playing for, for next few years.
The two problems with this scenario as I see it are firstly whether its finacially viable for the club and secondly whether McDermott would be prepared to be assistant for a year or two ( although we could maybe get round this by making Potter director of rugby responsible for recruitment and behind the scenes stuff like youth development and McDermott headcoach responsible for 1st team only).
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"Potter would be my choice.
It's key, as others have pointed out, to get the right structrue under him too.
Would Potter come as "Director of Rugby" and Brian Mac as head coach?
I suppose, again, it's the money thing.'"
great minds think alike WB I was typing my post at same time as you
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| Quote ="mat"great minds think alike WB I was typing my post at same time as you
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| Quote ="bewaresheep"Would we have to pay compensation to 'Quin's if we signed McDermott? And if so would the club want to sign him?
I think he's in the same boat as McNamara - a good reputation as a coach (I know a lot of Leeds fans where sad to see him leav) but nothing to suggest he's capable of bringing success to a club as Head Coach as Quin's seem to be going backwards. The same goes for Jimmy Lowes.
If things are going to be tight for another few years (and if we finally get permission to develop Odsal it would surely effect the clubs budget) wouldn't we be better with an experienced coach who has experience working on a budget and developing youth.
Oh God... it's not going to be Daryl Powell is it? Please stay Macca!'"
My understanding, from the meeting eartlier in the year, is that the club's 'exposure' in that regard is covered by the ground, ie, that is the value of the lease is our full contribution to the OSV.
In fact the new ground (oh please!!) should cost much less on maintenance than the current stadium, so hopefully, should be beneficial to the finances.
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| Quote ="Bulliac"My understanding, from the meeting eartlier in the year, is that the club's 'exposure' in that regard is covered by the ground, ie, that is the value of the lease is our full contribution to the OSV.
In fact the new ground (oh please!!) should cost much less on maintenance than the current stadium, so hopefully, should be beneficial to the finances.'"
the value of the lease is our contribution to the capital/build costs of the stadium. However once its built we have to start paying a normal rent as opposed to the nominal one we pay now. The maintenance costs will be lower but will be paid by the stadium management company, not us. so in effect we're swapping paying maintenance on an aging stadium to paying rent on a modern one. Depending on what the rents set at we could be better or worse off. Upside is at least we'll be able to plan longer term and wont have nasty suprises like 16k blocked drains to come out of our budget.
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| We also lose all the food/drink etc income, and whatever additional events income we can/could generate, to the SOC. I gather that this makes the direct cost comparisons a lot less favourable than most people expect - I got the impression would be more expensive in net terms.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"We also lose all the food/drink etc income, and whatever additional events income we can/could generate, to the SOC. I gather that this makes the direct cost comparisons a lot less favourable than most people expect - I got the impression would be more expensive in net terms.'"
under the full 75m scheme then we'd lose everything for sure. But under the revised scheme, wouldnt we retain coral suite income or are we throwing that into pot as part of our capital input.
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| Quote ="mat"under the full 75m scheme then we'd lose everything for sure. But under the revised scheme, wouldnt we retain coral suite income or are we throwing that into pot as part of our capital input.'"
Do we even know what scheme we're currently 'on' at the moment. I'd like to think that we're well on the way to something actually happening given the amount of time discussing it. The longer it drags on the less confident I become of anything ever being built up at Odsal.
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| In the current climate I can't see many of the project partners stumping up any cash.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The longer it drags on the less confident I become of anything ever being built up at Odsal.'"
Well, all I can reiterate is what my dear departed father in-law (who introduced me to the then Bradford Northern) said. He said "There's been more schemes to develop Odsal than you've had hot dinners. I won't believ any of them until the diggers move in".
Mind you, he died before the diggers moved in to Bradford city centre!
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| Now there's an idea for Bradford Council.
They've got a big hole in the city centre that they could build a brand spanking new stadium in and make it the focal point for their (he hem) re-development.
Make it like Monaco's ground with a car park underneath and the stadium on top...
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"You really think it's as simple as where you finish in a table as to how good a coach is?
I would argue the budget down at Quins is probably lower than ours, especially considering their constantly poor attendances. Put the same coach in a rich club (i.e. Warrington) and I don't think he'd have that team 2nd from bottom.'"
So you want to take a chance on a coach who has not proved himself with his current club and suggest that if he gets to a more affluent club he will do well!!!! very risky and not one i would take
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| Quote ="zapperbull"So you want to take a chance on a coach who has not proved himself with his current club and suggest that if he gets to a more affluent club he will do well!!!! very risky and not one i would take
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I'd suggest that McDermott has gone through quite a steep learning curve at Quins and looking at his record while he was learning might not be representative of his ability now. Since our head coach has been through the same learning curve I'd hope if it is McDermott he's got a lot of the major mistakes out of his system.
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| Potter's teams have played in Grand Finals and CHallenge CUp Finals though so he is proven at the top level. They lost those finals but it's better than having no hope of getting there in the first place.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Potter's teams have played in Grand Finals and CHallenge CUp Finals though so he is proven at the top level. They lost those finals but it's better than having no hope of getting there in the first place.'"
McGuire at Wigan has not previously been a senior club head coach, has not won anything, is at a club with plenty of money and is the second coming! (Or so Wigan fans would have you believe). Whereas Noble and slack-jaw before him won everything there is to win in the SL, just not at Wigan. Which just goes to show that, in reality, previous record is probably not such a good indicator of future record.
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| Really cant see how we would progress under the leadership of either McDermott, Lowes or Jon Sharp. Maybe Potter or Millward could make a slight change.
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| If we get either of these two then we will see a massive improvement in on field results.
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| It's certainly a great smoke screen this story throwing people off the scent of who the real man is.
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| I would wager on Potter being appointed to continue the "all things antipodean being quite marvellous" misconception that exists in RL. Then the PR wagon wheel of "track record, 5 Grand Finals, players speak highly of him, history with the Bulls, great guy, unfinished business" yada yada will be trotted out.
Albeit I feel Mac would be a far more astute appointment given some of the excellent young players he has helped produce as well as turning the some average players into pretty handy ones.
Neither a bad appointment however given the apparently limited finance available.
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