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| To fair today was down to 2 teams who do not have got a clue how to finish a team off we could have played 40 more minutes and the score would be 80 points to 78 either way just glad we won just about kept of season alive.The person who said Chase is nothing special must be on drugs he is only the same age as Shenton and sam burges and he is already twice as good as them if he was English he would walk young player of the season award but everybody klnows it will be a Wigan lad.
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| Quote ="Birstalltiger"The person who said Chase is nothing special must be on drugs he is only the same age as Shenton and sam burges'"
Chase is 23, Burgess is 20.
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P.S. 23 is too old for Young Player Of The Year
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| Quote ="Birstalltiger"To fair today was down to 2 teams who do not have got a clue how to finish a team off we could have played 40 more minutes and the score would be 80 points to 78 either way just glad we won just about kept of season alive.The person who said Chase is nothing special must be on drugs he is only the same age as Shenton and sam burges and he is already twice as good as them if he was English he would walk young player of the season award but everybody klnows it will be a Wigan lad.'"
I think you'll find Chase is 3 years older than Burgess and how can you really compare him to a prop/back rower? I agree Chase is looking good, but he has also had some pis$ poor performances for you at the start of the season what a lot of your lot were complaining about. At 23 I doubt he can be called "young player of the year" anyway.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"I think you'll find Chase is 3 years older than Burgess and how can you really compare him to a prop/back rower? I agree Chase is looking good, but he has also had some pis$ poor performances for you at the start of the season what a lot of your lot were complaining about. At 23 I doubt he can be called "young player of the year" anyway.'" maybe not that young i thought he was a little younger but still good player.
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| Poor calls by ref cost us two possibly three tries, but in all honesty, any team that defends like we do doesn't deserve to win. Shocking. Sykes is a revolving door, the rest were not far behind.
Score 38 points and lose? Castleford's defence is not far behind ours obviously.
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| Quote ="Birstalltiger"maybe not that young i thought he was a little younger but still good player.'"
Nobody said he wasn't a good player. But both Shenton and Burgess have far more potential -and imo- brighter futures in the game than Chase.
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| Shocking defensive display by the Bulls and we deservedly lost in my opinion. I thought the challenge on Semi at the start of the 2nd half was in the air and the Cas player fooled the officials that he had any intention of catching the ball. I look forward to the replay of that particular call but we once again laid out the welcome mat for the opposition.
If you repeatedly knock on in your own half and throw suicidal passes out to be intercepted then the result will always be a defeat.
If we go into next season with Deacon as scrum half then we may as well not bother. The guy has been great for the club over the years but he is shot and simply isn't good enough anymore. He is a passenger who offers very little nowadays. His kicking is no longer one of the best in the league and I'm losing count the amount times players just run around him as if he isn't even there. Sykes was again like a turnstyle in defence and I would be quite disappointed if we cannot do better than him for next year. I'd take Evans back to be honest.
Newton was abysmal and is another who's legs look to have deserted him. It's seems his flat pass close to the line is about all he offers nowadays and he won't be badly missed if he decides to move on.
On the plus side I thought Halley was outstanding once again. He seems to be improving all the time and is a joy to watch right now. I also thought Worrincey showed up well and worked his socks off whilst on the pitch. I think we would be silly to let BJ go as well unless we have some top quality players lined up for next year. He has been pretty consistently our most dangerous playmaker this year and deserves a new deal.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Nobody said he wasn't a good player. But both Shenton and Burgess have far more potential -and imo- brighter futures in the game than Chase.'" In the right hands Sam could be a world beeter but at the moment he far to big to play anything bar a prop but thats down to very bad coaching and i dont mean first team coach it the fitnes team who obsesed about getting bradford to a stupid size. on Mick Shenton he is a little bit over rated when he good he is very good but he can not do it every week yet.
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| I left the ground today seriously wondering if I can be bothered forking out for any more home games this year. The last two losses were disappointing but at least the team looked as if they were up for the game. This afternoon they seemed undercoached, undermotivated and shambolic.
On today's evidence I'd keep Halley, Scruton, maybe a couple of others, and let the rest fight for their places with some youngsters.
I was going to bring a Spanish mate to his first game today but in a way I'm glad he was ill and couldn't make it. Perhaps in two weeks' time I'll have forgotten the dejection (again) and will persuade him along to the Wigan match. Whatever the result, I sure hope they aim to give a better account of themselves.
And why not award MOM to the away team now and again? Perhaps Halley did deserve it today, but sometimes I feel the only deserving recipient would be one of the visitors.
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| Quote ="af"[url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/07/05/RUGBYL_Bradford_Nightlead.htmlLink[/url
Sounds like Semi had a bit of a stinker for a start.'" That as Sykes he shouldn't play again this year.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Depressing. Same old capitulation costing us the game despite being on top for much of it. Same old shocking defence. Same old various players looking like they were not that interested (guess Newton is maybe understandable if the rumours are true?). Same old dodgy decisions of course, but we should not be in the position of having to point to them.
Big ask to scrape the playoffs now.
Maybe its getting near time to drop a few players and let some of the younger lads have some extended gametime? That's the first time I've said that, but the argument for it has gone past "strong" after today, and is tending perilously close to "irrefutable" I suggest?
Glad I'm not involved in Bulls' Marketing; that's looking an even bigger ask than making the playoffs.
Talking to two Cas guys after the match - I said was it that you were very good and we were poor? They replied both teams were a bit poor really. Sums it up. Just, again, we were a bit poorer. Edit: and sounds like Macca in his pre-match comments completely agrees
Deserved Win Cas, for that 11 mins after the break where we waved the white flag and they were hot.
Superb effort by Halley. Would that some others showed the same effort and enthusiasm. Thank God we hung onto him.'" A lot of the player sponsors were ed today only two players came in to the Coral stand after the game.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Disappointed with that performance, but at least Burgess is playing well again and Halley looked awesome. Tbf there were at least 4 Cas tries that would have gone to the video ref had it been on sky and some may have not stood. Their interception try was a clear offside, but that wasn't the worst, Tadulala was blatantly taken out in the air and then Cas were given a try
. We can't just play well in patches, we need to do it for 80 minutes. Another thing is, Deacon may be improving his attacking again but he missed some tackles my grandmother would have made. Scruton played well aswell, but neither Newton or Godwin -the latter having a decent excuse- added anything to our game and lpayed poorly.'" He took to drives up in the first 15 minutes.
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| Agreed with BB in opinion that Deacon simply needs dropping and offloading.
He was cleanly skinned 3 times today (and probably more). 2 led to tries and the other he laid on the floor in a heap.
Sykes seems unable to take a ball in when he's been put through a gap, again knocking on a few times today when doing so.
4 minutes for the academy lad today (can't remember his name). What is the point - even the crowd mocked those 4 minutes with a huge cheer when he came off the bench.
I've said it all season, do we not coach in defense? We allow the other side to offload way too easily and for me it's not good enough.
Oh, and Newtons pass that led to the intercept could be seen all the way back from 1950, it was that predictable.
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| Quote ="MikePB"Rangi Chase is sh**e Fact'"
and let's face it, Wire fans know a $hite player when they see one.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Terry Matterson is not the only person who was [url=http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyleague/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=rleague/09/07/05/RUGBYL_Bradford_Quotes.htmlbemused[/url this afternoon...'" This is the most important line from the quote
Quote "I don't know what to say about it, but you've just got to find a way to win.'"
It's something we can't do.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"Agreed with BB in opinion that Deacon simply needs dropping and offloading.
He was cleanly skinned 3 times today (and probably more). 2 led to tries and the other he laid on the floor in a heap.
Sykes seems unable to take a ball in when he's been put through a gap, again knocking on a few times today when doing so.
4 minutes for the academy lad today (can't remember his name). What is the point - even the crowd mocked those 4 minutes with a huge cheer when he came off the bench.
I've said it all season, do we not coach in defense? We allow the other side to offload way too easily and for me it's not good enough.
Oh, and Newtons pass that led to the intercept could be seen all the way back from 1950, it was that predictable.'" James Donaldson. You were stood a little infront of us.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Agree with that tbh. I can't wait for the highlights on the SL website, lets see 3 or 4 tries that should never have stood.'" I thought both our first two tries were forward.
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| The problem is and has been over the last few weeks, despite playing some not bad rugby in patches against the two best sides in the league, we seem to have a tiny little spell where we just don't show up. It was just before HT against Saints, at the start against Leeds, and today just after HT. We aren't an 80 minute team at the moment.
I'm just dismayed with Deacon, great servant for this club but that doesn't warrant a starting spot at 7 next year. Jeffries needs tying down to a new deal, he's carrying Deacon through long periods of the game. I thought Newton played well, barring the intercept obviously. The side look lost and lack direction when he goes off the field.
Becoming increasingly worried with the performances of Jamie Langley and Paul Sykes, who's defensive performances are getting torn to pieces.
Donaldson looked hungry for the farcical few minutes he was given, wanted to take the ball and ran some nice lines.
Not happy with the fans around me who seem to pint everything on the referee.. sigh. Tadulala was terrible in the air and under the high ball today, but our fans seemed to believe he was taken out, which I disagree with.
Kudos to Cas, who played their rugby and probably deserved the win. However, one thing which stood out today was the performance of Dave Halley. Almost faultless, and one woman had the gall next to me to say he was p!ss poor! Shocking, in my opinion.
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| Surprised nobody has mentioned the lack of sending off of Westerman. Should be banned for the rest of the season. He clearly went with shoulder intentionally to back of Deacon's head when laid on the floor.
The ref also missed a professional foul flop after one of our breaks ran (as usual) into the only defender around. The flop was clearly done to stop a quick play the ball.
But overall our inability to tackle and ability to turn clean breaks into nothing were the reasons we lost to a team that played even worse than we did.
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| Quote ="verynoble"Surprised nobody has mentioned the lack of sending off of Westerman. Should be banned for the rest of the season. He clearly went with shoulder intentionally to back of Deacon's head when laid on the floor.
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It was nothing.
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| Quote ="verynoble"Surprised nobody has mentioned the lack of sending off of Westerman. Should be banned for the rest of the season. He clearly went with shoulder intentionally to back of Deacon's head when laid on the floor.
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| Well we're now 5 points off 8th position. We've never looked like getting any kind of consistency all season and today's effort doesn't do anything to suggest the major improvement needed is around the corner. Where other teams pick up the points we falter.
It's a bloody good job the SL increased in size and got rid of the drop or we'd be staring down the barrel of relegation.
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| Reet my two penneth
2 the daft mooses stood in front of me,,Deacon was crap today regardless of his years of service today he was left wanting, players ran round him for fun his defence was none exsistent he brought nothing offensively, telling me kindly to "shut my mouth" DIDNT MAKE HIM ANY BETTER
Sykes seems to have no ability to catch, run pass or tackle and wtf was he doing when he went for a ball Menzies clearly had covered.
in the second half we were devoid of ideas their was no continuity at all.
IMO it comes down to the following
too many players OOC and generally dont give two farts
Coaching team is rubbish, our assistant coach wasnt deemed good enough for Queensbury ffs
conditioning is poor size isnt everything (ask Halley our only shining light)
Fans will stay away if that is what they have to put up with and then listen to all the e coming out of the club, Macca grow a pair and admit you have no idea what you are doing and actually drop some players i would rather see the kids give it their all and loose than watch a load of premadonnas go half assed.
On a brighter note Platt playing for the kids cheered me up
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| He has dropped players, Platt and Cook to name 2. Playing Lynch for 75 mins adds nothing to the game we will just burn him out or get him injured. What's the point of dropping anybody if the lad you put on the bench gets only 4 mins? It just meant that a team that was struggling had to struggle longer because somebody was scared to put the kid on the pitch. It's been said before if we are just going to sit kids on the bench well hey I can do that for free. Also the way Sheriffe and Sykes were playing he should have taken one of them off especially when Widders tore through and left them for dead, my wife could have caught him!
No team spirit, no pride and no idea. I hope we have an end of season cull with Stevie Mac top of the pile and take his entire backroom staff with him.
Bring on the wonder kids and salvage some pride.
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