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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Got past worrying, Given up.
More seriously though there was not a lot of comment around today and I think this is worrying. People are now past caring and it won't be long before they stop coming altogether.'"
I think that has already happend tbh.
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| Maybe one reason for the poor attendances is due to the fact that if you are playing bad, losing and not getting any points you wont make it into the playoffs and therefore this season is a waste of time, and your games are pointless, seeing as how the only thing you are playing for is pride. Due to the fact that your competition (So Called) does not mean relegation. hence nothing to do other than play with pride, which according to quite a few previous posts over the last few weeks suggest that the players don't even play for that.
Just a thought !!!!!!
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| Quote ="The Chin's Back"I'm sure that crowds like this will mean that the Bulls have to spend less on player recruitment,Hood said last year that the club was losing money on staging games at odsal,this seasons attendances are likely to be even lower,so i would start to worry if i was you'"
That is why I cannot understand your club voting for the franchise system.
What is in it for you when such as London, Celts Cats then next time probably Tolouse are playing at your place .All those teams you play with no show fans surely must affect your crowd?
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| Quote ="buster_move"2 very poor teams'"
And a very poor troll considering your teams loss and by that amount today.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Why worry? I mean thanks for the concern an' all, but you're a Leeds fan aren't you?'"
As a rugby league fan I think it is acceptable to worry when a team who were once considered to have embraced Super League more than any other is falling well short of a 5 figure crowd. Its worrying because it may happen to any other successful side that goes through a re-building stage.
Here are my suggestions for the decline anyway;
1) Lack of player nicknames
2) Lack of impressive cars in the parade
3) Lack of Boney M
And what happened to carrying Bullman around on a float?
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| Bullmania appealed mostly to fairweather fans, our loyal fans number roughly in the seven thousand and something that turned up today. And im not going to claim that im some sort of bona fide loyal supporter because im not, ive only just got into RL over the last couple of years. Targetting families is a great strategy to an extent, but do they all turn up when the results are going against them and the weather is bad?
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| Quote ="johnny freeman fan club"That is why I cannot understand your club voting for the franchise system.
What is in it for you when such as London, Celts Cats then next time probably Tolouse are playing at your place .All those teams you play with no show fans surely must affect your crowd?'"
No club should rely on away support coming to make them viable, you have to worry about what you have control over and what you can influence.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"Got past worrying, Given up.
More seriously though there was not a lot of comment around today and I think this is worrying. People are now past caring and it won't be long before they stop coming altogether.'"
Surely not, the people can't possibly stop coming to see The People's Team
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| Quote ="Dead Man Walking"That'll be the Hull KR method.'"
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| Quote ="ritz"About 30..and they still made more noise than us lol.'"
I was standing with about 40 on the terrace next to the stand, there were a few dotted around in the stand and a group up on the Coral Stand...all in all about a hundred at most. Mind you it's the best 500 mile round trip I've had thanks!!
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| been home about an hr from 4hr drive from bradford must thank you for all the celts that made it up even thou we were dotted around the ground the away support will grow like it does with anyteam, im now off for a hot lemon drink as i was one of the noisy buggers who was shouting
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| Quote ="Dan155"Targetting families is a great strategy to an extent, but do they all turn up when the results are going against them and the weather is bad?'"
Yep, not only that we brought a new recruit today, that's 5 we've added in the last 6 years. It's the mard ar$e singles who settle for an afternoon down the pub or a snore on the sofa cos they can't be bothered making the effort. A curse on you single folk, why can't you go n' get hitched and have some kids, up our attendances, do the decent thing.
Families are not the problem, but the lack of a decent stadium, taking people for granted and woeful home performances might have something to do with it.
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| Quote ="johnny freeman fan club"That is why I cannot understand your club voting for the franchise system.
What is in it for you when such as London, Celts Cats then next time probably Tolouse are playing at your place .All those teams you play with no show fans surely must affect your crowd?'"
Catalans had the third highest attendance in SL (more than Cas Leeds), Toulouse easily the highest in the championship. No doubt boosted by thousands of travelling North-Westerners. What we need is more M62 teams.
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| Quote ="johnny freeman fan club"That is why I cannot understand your club voting for the franchise system.
What is in it for you when such as London, Celts Cats then next time probably Tolouse are playing at your place .All those teams you play with no show fans surely must affect your crowd?'"
It's a good point in theory but Hudds traditionally bring a very small amount and they are one of the closest teams to us.
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| I will definetly be coming up to Bradford next season.
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| Quote ="celt000"I will definetly be coming up to Bradford next season.
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It might not rain next year.
It probably will though.
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| I live in Wales I think im used to the rain by now.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"It's a good point in theory but Hudds traditionally bring a very small amount and they are one of the closest teams to us.'"
Well yes I do realise that but their away support is growing now albiet ever so slightly .They do bring more than the others,I also think having opposing fans there in numbers adds to the atmosphere on a matchday.
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| Quote ="celt000"icon_lol.gif I live in Wales I think im used to the rain by now.
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That's a good point.
All the Celtic fans did appear to have just their shirts on yesterday. Nutters.
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| They will ge ill today then
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| Quote ="Richie Ramrod"Good use of spin to justify a pathetic attendance.
No really, very good!!
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I highlight the above as a lesson for would-be trolls in how NOT to do it.
The fake reference to "justification" (when nobody has remotely "justified" the gate, or even felt any need to, is all that saves it from being E-Fail.
Embarrasing misuse of the abysmal "No really", and hasn't the comprehension to understand that this phrase requires a comma.
And double-laughing at his own "wit" actually makes the reader cringe for the lamebrained little chap.
Truly pathetic.
Quote ="The Chin's Back"I'm sure that crowds like this will mean that the Bulls have to spend less on player recruitment,Hood said last year that the club was losing money on staging games at odsal,this seasons attendances are likely to be even lower,so i would start to worry if i was you'"
OTOH here we have a concerned mastermind. He can work out that if the Bulls get 7K each home gate, that would be less than they used to get. Well, fsckin'ell, we should bow down in the presence of the God of the Bleedin' Obvious. And he "would start to worry if he was (sic) us". There's not a lot to be thankful for, but certainly one small mercy is that we're NOT you, and you're NOT us. For which we will remain forever grateful to any god there may be.
Quote ="Leeds_Rhydon"... Its worrying because it may happen to any other successful side that goes through a re-building stage.'"
The word you're looking for would be "normal".
Quote ="Leeds_Rhydon"And what happened to carrying Bullman around on a float?'"
Yes, you've nailed it. That's the reason less than 8K came. I'll have a word.
Quote ="Don Brennans Leg"Surely not, the people can't possibly stop coming to see The People's Team'"
I don't know. Who is this "The People's team" of which you speak? Are you stuck in a time warp? How can we get you back to the present?
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| Quote ="celt000"They will ge ill today then
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Is that Welsh?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
The word you're looking for would be "normal".'"
I'd ask Wigan fans if it is 'Normal' to drop to 4 figure attendances during a trophy drought. From 2005, the first year that they didn't make the playoffs, they have consistently posted 10,000+ crowds (give or take a couple of games). Or Leeds for that matter. Not very often that Leeds posted a 4 figure crowd in the 2000s prior to winning it in 04. So is it 'normal' for the big teams to suffer that much of a fall?
And thanks for putting me in my place on the Bullman comment, it shall teach me not to use sarcasm on this board again...
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| Quote ="Leeds_Rhydon"I'd ask Wigan fans if it is 'Normal' to drop to 4 figure attendances during a trophy drought. From 2005, the first year that they didn't make the playoffs, they have consistently posted 10,000+ crowds (give or take a couple of games). Or Leeds for that matter. Not very often that Leeds posted a 4 figure crowd in the 2000s prior to winning it in 04. So is it 'normal' for the big teams to suffer that much of a fall?
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Problem there is there we are (You mainly) not comparing like with like. Wigan and Leeds have historically always had high crowd figures, we did not. Before superleague we would regualry get 4000 - 5000 home gates during bad seasons. We had a boom, attracted new fans and that was great, but I dont think we were ever going to keep all the new fans long term, and certainly not through the events that have occured at Odsal over the last 3 years, best you can hope for from such booms is that you have incresed your core support for the long term and I think yesterdays crowd showed just that. the same set of circumstances in 1990 might have seen a 3000 crowd turn up at Odsal.
I'm not saying we'll return to 4500 against Workington anytime soon (I hope ), but its also unrealistic to suggest that the club and Odsal as a venue can sustain 14000 home fans just for the week in week out love of watching rugby League in Bradford no matter the result or weather or form or lack of success. We need to keep attracting new fans to replace fans that have drifted away and try to steadily increase/bring back fans in a more sustainable way rather than merely fans attracted by finals and trophies. (and no, I dont have the answer to that, if I did I would be doing it for the club I love and not just throwing my useless views out into the tinterweb as an act of unburdening myself of worry)
I also think that with a more positive turn of events, some entertaining winning rugby coming back or even more hopefully the OSV coming to fruition that we can easily get back to 10,000+ gates.... it just might take a bit of time and plenty of hard work - but whats new?
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| Quote ="Duckman"I'm not saying we'll return to 4500 against Workington anytime soon'"
Is that a deliberate reference to Leeds' attendance nadir of the first season of Super League?
OSV is key, if only to change the narrative.
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