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| Looking at the coaching staff list a couple of things spring to mind. Like the playing staff the average age isn't particularly high so we lack experience in running a top flight club. The other thing is how many of them have been with the club for a significant length of time and are able to bring a winning mentality we certainly had 4 years ago.
Stuart Barrow was added as part of the development coaching staff so again that looks to be a high priority that hopefully long term gives us a squad to compete.
If MacNamara isn't happy with the playing staff he's hardly likely to say so publicly. While they are his players there is always a risk that some players just don't work out like you expect but publicly criticising them or trying to offload (the Ellis debacle reinforced this) them isn't going to help.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"So the issue now is no longer that the coach is crap, but instead that the coach is maybe not up to coping with and working round issues outside of his control?
'" Every body in all walks of there working life have to deal with things that are out of their control. Like I've said before other super league coaches will all be having similar issue's it's not just a problem of ours.
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Assuming that any of the hypothetical possibilities that I raised are actually real issues? And don't forget, I am not in any way trying to make excuses for what we are seeing - we are way past excuses anyway - just offering other lines of possible enquiry in the face of the lynch mob.
'" So if we are past the stage of them being an issue why keep bringing them up.
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But as I keep saying, you and most others in the "time for a change" camp, and especially the militant "hang 'em high" wing thereof, are still addressing symptoms not causes. Do YOU know what the real causes of our unacceptable performance are? Or are you guessing or surmising or assuming? I sure don't have any idea what's causing it, I just know that I am pretty bogged off with it like everyone else.
'" Like I've said before most of the other coaches in super league will have a less than ideal working situation but they appear to be making a better use of the available resources.
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Therefore who is to say that replacing the coach will actually solve anything? It may do; then again it may not. As AP rightly said earlier, one way to find out is to go ahead and do it; but if it transpires that that has NOT solved the problem, then you really ARE up shît creek.
'" That's a fair point but do we carry on as we are now just because a change might not work even though things aren't working in the present.
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| Quote ="redeverready"
They still use the Eddie Brown luxury coach.
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So we [ido[/i have a decent coach after all? Bugger, I will have to change my vote now.
Incidentally, 16 people have voted option 1 yet no one thus far has said so on here or given us the reasons for choosing it?
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| Quote ="redeverready"So if we are past the stage of them being an issue why keep bringing them up.'"
Because of the difference between "excuses" and "causes," or "reasons" if you prefer. I did not say we are past the stage of any of them being an issue (if indeed any of them are). I said we are past the time for excuses - from whoever. Two different things. I'm fed up with excuses; I want to understand the reasons.
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| Quote ="redeverready"Every body in all walks of there working life have to deal with things that are out of their control. Like I've said before other super league coaches will all be having similar issue's it's not just a problem of ours.
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Yes, to a point of course you are right. But I wonder whether our coach is having to contend with a lot more issues than most? Again I speculate, but there is a fair bit of anecdotal indication that he just might. For instance, despite all the early-season poor performance at Warrington, its unlikely their coach has money concerns with Moran in the background. And even more so at the Piedome, where they seem to have invested heavily in support and commercial staff? For example?
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"
Incidentally, 16 people have voted option 1 yet no one thus far has said so on here or given us the reasons for choosing it?'"
If doing his best (option 1) is 13th & out of the CC then you are fooked.
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| Quote ="tigertot"If doing his best (option 1) is 13th & out of the CC then you are fooked.'"
Indeed. Yet strangely 18 people (and counting) have chosen that option. Still none of them have given us a reason why they picked it though.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"Indeed. Yet strangely 18 people (and counting) have chosen that option. Still none of them have given us a reason why they picked it though.'"
It must be those pesky 5th column aliases of Tigertot
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| Just seen the 'McNamara out' Facebook group... The captions to the photos are funny
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"It must be those pesky 5th column aliases of Tigertot
'" Either that or it must be Leeds or Wakey fans to blame.
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| Quote ="Glenn Morrison, in his blog,"The Coach was very disappointed, as he has every right to be. We didn't play at all to the game plan we were given and didn't do anything we had trained to do. The result reflected that but Steve is trying to stay as positive as he can be because we have to try and get everyone up for this weekend. We have a lot of injuries and it's a very thin squad at the moment but people will have to put their hands up. People will have to play out of position and be prepared to do what is needed and they need to do it this weekend.'"
As you can see, clearly blaming the coach for everything - rubbish game plans, rubbish coaching - like so many of the supporters are.
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| Quote ="tigertot"I voted sack Macca just to put that option in front. Can't make my mind up how all my aliases should vote yet.'"
Sorry tigs I forgot an option for those who just wanna get Macca IN the sack
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| Quote ="Adeybull"As you can see, clearly blaming the coach for everything - rubbish game plans, rubbish coaching - like so many of the supporters are.'" Do you honestly expect him to put any thing other than tat. He was never going to say "Yes it's all Steve's fault he just doesn't have a clue of how to fix things".
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| Quote ="redeverready"Do you honestly expect him to put any thing other than tat. He was never going to say "Yes it's all Steve's fault he just doesn't have a clue of how to fix things".'"
No, but he doesn't have to mention the coach at all.
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| Quote ="Trimalchio"No, but he doesn't have to mention the coach at all.'"
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| I can remember Andy Farrell saying what a good coach Andy Goodway was while the latter was in charge at Wigan.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Exactly.'" But he was always going to mention the coach as soon as he mentioned them not following the game plan. It's a way of trying to deflect the flack that's heading in Maccas direction. Don't forget that Morrison was in the coaching box last Friday and he all the discontent directed at McNamara.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"As you can see, clearly blaming the coach for everything - rubbish game plans, rubbish coaching - like so many of the supporters are.'" So the fact that, week after week, players are saying that they are not doing what they are told to do yet it still keeps happening? Why?
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| Yes Adey, WHY??
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Yes Adey, WHY??'" It was not aimed towards adey to answer. It was a general point.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"icon_rolleyes.gif It was not aimed towards adey to answer. It was a general point.'"
Low confidence.
Opposition.
Let's not forget we may have a game plan, but the team we are up against will be doing their best to stop us putting it into practice too.
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| Quote ="Wigan Bull"Low confidence.
Opposition.
Let's not forget we may have a game plan, but the team we are up against will be doing their best to stop us putting it into practice too.'"
Low confidence is an obvious answer now but if the team started the season low on confidence then that's a clear problem before we started.
I'd say another disrupted pre-season friendly program (thanks RFL) combined with early season injuries to senior first choice players (Solomona, Langley, Deacon, Morrison) and a generally more competitive competition has left us the wrong side of close games and a couple of thrashings leading to eroding confidence.
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| Quote ="mystic eddie"icon_rolleyes.gif It was not aimed towards adey to answer. It was a general point.'"
Gosh, super. Thank you for sharing that.
It was the combination of you replying to Adey, with a quote of what he had written, plus the words you used in your question, clinched by the"?" at the end, which misled me into believing you were using a popular device called a "question", directed at the person you addressed it to.
I now see how wrong I was. I apologise for having forced you to, entirely understandably, roll your eyes and (though you do not say so) doubtless to 'Tut' loudly.
Now is too soon, when the pain of misunderstanding is clearly so raw, but I can only hope and pray that, one day, you can find it in your heart to forgive my having jumped to this obviously unreachable conclusion.
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| Well this poll didn't really have the option I would go for.
I no longer feel McNamara is up to the job and we need a change at head coach. We should look for a replacement and he should be appointed asap. That replacement should be carefully selected though, if getting the right bloke means waiting till the end of this season then so be it. This season is pretty much over as far as us having any chance of being in the mix for trophies is concerned (though we never really were at the races IMO).
However, we shouldn't be waiting too long Next season is crucial, we must turn the corner and have optimism return to the club before then or dwindling attendances and lower season ticket sales will mean the clubs immediate future would be in jeopardy.
It's all very well to cite a lack of money as the reason we can't change the coach but I don't think any of us have any real hard information on that front. What I do know is if the current decline continues then we certainly will not have any money for anything at all before long, unless we've reached the point of no return already. If that's the case then I really don't fancy watching this car crash unfold any further.
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| How come there's no option covering the possibility that he's doing a fantastic job and getting all your players performing way above their abilities?
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