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| Just name me ONE half back in the Superleague who is better than Deacon ??
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| Quote ="harigeorgeson":3a0wrje6icon_evil.gif Just name me ONE half back in the Superleague who is better than Deacon ??
Please - only serious replies & please provide evidence.'" :3a0wrje6
Rob Burrow-Appearances 1, Tries 1, Try assists 2, Offloads 2, Meters 152.
Chris Thorman-Appearances 5, Tries 1, Try assists 5, Meters 269.
Thomas Leuluai- Appearances 6, Tries 1, Try assists 2, Meters 497, Tackle busts 15, Runs from Dummy Half 26, :3a0wrje6Errors 1
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| (Apologies once again for not reading the thread, so if I repeat anything, sorry!).
I can't for the life of me understand what's happened to Deacon. I used to rate him pretty well. Never a flashy or highly skillful player, but always a dependable type. Rarely threw bad passes, tackled well for a small player etc.
However lately he seems to have massively suffered. The last 2 games have shown, where he seems to have thrown loads of bad or awful passes and missed tackles that you would normally expect him to get, despite his size.
Perhaps he's suffering from the confidence loss that seems to be affecting a few players, but I'm finding it very hard to defend him at the moment, as he's been playing REALLY badly.
Unfortunately, as I'm sure has been said, the lack of depth in our squad for halfbacks means that we don't have a real option to drop either Deacon or Jeffries. No matter who you put in from our current squad, I can't see them being any better there.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"This explains why we've been well up near the top of the tree for all those years, then, and Deacon at or near the top of every kick stats list there is. But I'm sure the league tables and the records are all wrong, and you are right.'"
Top post of 2009 so far - I agree matey
Come on Tigs & you other doubters - who are ya Opinions differ but FACTS do not lie
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Thorman is one in a considerable line of players who seem to attract polarised opinions, but I've always rated him extremely highly as a player, and he definitely has been rejuvenated and re-enthused by his move to Hull - any fool can surely see that. He played out of his skin on Sunday and his skills were a treat to watch, even as a fan of the losing team.
His style would indeed have fitted in perfectly with the pre-2009 model Deacon and the Bulls' style. Over the years we have benefited greatly with that type of No. 6, from Nigel Stephenson to John Woods.
You might just be poking fun, but as a comment, it makes no sense at all.'"
I've always rated him as a player - nice hands and a top drawer kicking game - but his defence can be absolutely atrocious at times and stops him being the finished article. IMO of course.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"
Unfortunately, as I'm sure has been said, the lack of depth in our squad for halfbacks means that we don't have a real option to drop either Deacon or Jeffries. No matter who you put in from our current squad, I can't see them being any better there.'"
I think that Macca should show Deacs and Jeffries just how badly they are playing by putting Morro and Menzies in there. I know this sounds stupid, but at least they are creative, they won't throw bad passes and it might make Jeffries and Deacon get their ar$es into gear.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Aren't you bored of this yet?'"
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"(Apologies once again for not reading the thread, so if I repeat anything, sorry!).
I can't for the life of me understand what's happened to Deacon. I used to rate him pretty well. Never a flashy or highly skillful player, but always a dependable type. Rarely threw bad passes, tackled well for a small player etc.
However lately he seems to have massively suffered. The last 2 games have shown, where he seems to have thrown loads of bad or awful passes and missed tackles that you would normally expect him to get, despite his size.
Perhaps he's suffering from the confidence loss that seems to be affecting a few players, but I'm finding it very hard to defend him at the moment, as he's been playing REALLY badly.
Unfortunately, as I'm sure has been said, the lack of depth in our squad for halfbacks means that we don't have a real option to drop either Deacon or Jeffries. No matter who you put in from our current squad, I can't see them being any better there.'"
Deacon cannot take responsibility for the whole team !
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I've always rated him as a player - nice hands and a top drawer kicking game - but his defence can be absolutely atrocious at times and stops him being the finished article. IMO of course.'"
To be fair though, Thorman's defence can't be worse than Jeffries.
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| Quote ="DILLIGAF"Aren't you bored of this yet?'"
Yes I am a bit bored, but I have a mission to ensure that the Deacon name is secured as a Legend ..........
I might, however, take up another hobby
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| Quote ="tigertot"What is the evidence for that?'"
He does go looking for the ball to set up attacks. Might not be doing it too well, but that hasnt stopped him from seeking the ball, which is to his credit when he's playing so badly. Jeffries seems quite happy to float about looking to take the occasional offload in space, but doesnt seek to impose himself on the match. A kind of poor man's Alan Hardisty to Deacon's Hepworth.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"This explains why we've been well up near the top of the tree for all those years, then, and Deacon at or near the top of every kick stats list there is. But I'm sure the league tables and the records are all wrong, and you are right.'"
Is there an OPTA stat for kicks in play? ie proximity to opposition full back?
Give over with the stats- he was awful. He was passing like Iestyn Harris with broken arms
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| Quote ="ex Bull Dog"Is there an OPTA stat for kicks in play? ie proximity to opposition full back?
Give over with the stats- he was awful. He was passing like Iestyn Harris with broken arms'"
You seem very dumb. If you are talking about this season, or even the Hull game, why do you think I think Deacon was anything else but poor? Can't you read?
As for Harris - how we could have done with his skills so far this season. It says a lot about your lack of knowledge that you use Harris, one of the game's most gifted players and especially passers, when you want an example of a crap passer.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"You seem very dumb. If you are talking about this season, or even the Hull game, why do you think I think Deacon was anything else but poor? Can't you read?
As for Harris - how we could have done with his skills so far this season. It says a lot about your lack of knowledge that you use Harris, one of the game's most gifted players and especially passers, when you want an example of a crap passer.
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Oh yes the Iestyn Harris who's speciality was passing two yards behind the advancing runner and usually on the floor. I was reminded of this several times including his other 'play' throwing the ball in to touch. He also a major factor in why the team is so unbalanced. Yes - he probably would have done better but not by much and wouldn't be difficult
Re deacon - was only reacting to one post as reading the rest of yours bore me to tears
Wind your neck in
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| Quote ="ex Bull Dog"Oh yes the Iestyn Harris who's speciality was passing two yards behind the advancing runner and usually on the floor. I was reminded of this several times including his other 'play' throwing the ball in to touch. He also a major factor in why the team is so unbalanced. Yes - he probably would have done better but not by much and wouldn't be difficult'"
When you spout rubbish like that about one of the game's true greats, it just makes you look a fool. Maybe you actually believe it, for all I know.
Quote ="ex Bull Dog"Re deacon - was only reacting to one post'"
So you post without having a clue what the OP was talking about, why am I not surprised
Quote ="ex Bull Dog"as reading the rest of yours bore me to tears
Wind your neck in'"
I'm happy with my neck just where it is, my lachrymose Chum
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| I think Platt should replace Deacon.
The opposition wont have a clue what hes gonna do with the ball next.......
......come to think of it neither will he.
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| Quote ="Cibaman"He does go looking for the ball to set up attacks. Might not be doing it too well, but that hasnt stopped him from seeking the ball, which is to his credit when he's playing so badly. Jeffries seems quite happy to float about looking to take the occasional offload in space, but doesnt seek to impose himself on the match. A kind of poor man's Alan Hardisty to Deacon's Hepworth.'"
Jeffries has 59 carries to Deacon's 27. I love stats.
Last season Jeffries made over 1,000 metres more & 50% more carries. Purely by floating about.
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| Quote ="harigeorgeson"icon_evil.gif Just name me ONE half back in the Superleague who is better than Deacon ??
Please - only serious replies & please provide evidence.'"
Dyaln Skee
Richard Myler
David Guasch
Matty Smith
Mark Lennon
Jace Van Dijk
Jamie Ellis
Scott Moore
Shane Perry
Robbie Paul
Kyle Eastmond
Tom Hemingway
Brent Sherwin
Michael Monaghan
Danny Brough
Tim SMith
Mick Dobson
Luke Robinson
Tom Leuluai
Lee Briers
Rob Burrow
Sean Long
Jonny Lomax
William arthau
Luke Gale
Sam Tomkins
Tomy Lee
Lincoln Withers
Jeremy Smith
Ryan McGoldrick
Damian Quinn
Gary Wheeler
Chris Bridge
Danny Orr
Stanley Gene
Rangi Chase
Luke Dorn
Ben Jeffries
Richard Horne
Greg Bird
Jamie Rooney
Leon Pryce
Danny McGuire
Chris Thorman
Paul Cooke
Thomas Bosc
Evidence - none of them are Paul Deacon ergo they are better.
HTH
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"When you spout rubbish like that about one of the game's true greats, it just makes you look a fool. Maybe you actually believe it, for all I know.
So you post without having a clue what the OP was talking about, why am I not surprised
I'm happy with my neck just where it is, my lachrymose Chum'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"one of the game's true greats,'"
At first I thought you were just being aggressive to someone who dared to say anything against one of your postings but now I can see your joking
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| The guys playing in a team with 6 useless backs, 6 useless forwards and 4 guys who sit on a bench because they are apparently even worse. A bit harsh to pick Deacon out as the cause of all problems. There isn't a single player in the team with imagination or ability to see what the rest of the team are in a position to do, and there are loads who seem to have forgotten how to tackle.
Without Deacon we'd be on zero in the table this year rather than a might 1 point. That one point may just keep us from getting the wooden spoon.
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| Quote ="verynoble"The guys playing in a team with 6 useless backs, 6 useless forwards and 4 guys who sit on a bench because they are apparently even worse. A bit harsh to pick Deacon out as the cause of all problems. There isn't a single player in the team with imagination or ability to see what the rest of the team are in a position to do, and there are loads who seem to have forgotten how to tackle.
Without Deacon we'd be on zero in the table this year rather than a might 1 point. That one point may just keep us from getting the wooden spoon.'"
You're right, how could we all have been so blind to miss this?
Deacon for MOS!
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| Quote ="verynoble"The guys playing in a team with 6 useless backs, 6 useless forwards and 4 guys who sit on a bench because they are apparently even worse. '"
Sorry but that's just a load of w@nkerage IMO and an insult to - as a minimum - the guys like Morro who have been far from "useless"
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| Quote ="verynoble"The guys playing in a team with 6 useless backs, 6 useless forwards and 4 guys who sit on a bench because they are apparently even worse. A bit harsh to pick Deacon out as the cause of all problems. There isn't a single player in the team with imagination or ability to see what the rest of the team are in a position to do, and there are loads who seem to have forgotten how to tackle.
Without Deacon we'd be on zero in the table this year rather than a might 1 point. That one point may just keep us from getting the wooden spoon.'"
Agree with you that it's harsh to pick Deacs out as the cause of the problems.
Then again, I think it's harsh of you to slate all of the forwards. What about the contributions and continual effort of Morro (in ALL games so far this season) and Lynchy (keeping in mind it was his first game back)???
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