And I'll call your

and raise you



.

Hi Adey, welcome back I've missed your voice of reason.
Your comment above is valid showing a singular lack by the club in engaging with fans in general, but moreso in blindly ignoring the potential of passionate fans that are qualified to give a commercial input to the club's administration/promotion for FREE.
Do they really think that all their target market (fans) are dumbos not to be trusted? Do they not realise the lengths that some fans woud go to in offering their various skillsets in assisting the club?
If you were not successful with your strenuous attempts to engage them with BISA is anything to go by there is little hope they will respond any better now. But we live in some hope that they do.

The other option (not as good as extra people through the turnstiles though) is for regular fans to spend a bit more in the ground ie game draw tickets, programmes, extra pint of beer etc.

On this I can assure you I am doing my best

Bradford Ultras anyone?

Thanks for that, although in fairness I can be as unreasonable as the next man where I believe injustice is being perpetrated!

Also in fairness, it wasn't so much that the club would not engage with BISA, as much as most of the fans wouldn't - but nor would the latter put forward a viable alternative for engaging with the club. Its easy to complain, but a little less so to do something to make a difference.

The other problem when you ARE able to engage with the club is that you become aware of facts of life that maybe too many supporters would prefer to pretend do not exist. Its the same problem that faces responsible shop stewards.

But yes, I'm sure there are quite a few dedicated supporters who could provide significant leverage to the efforts of the Club's limited personnel - across a range of disciplines. ME, for example, would be nailed-on to help SD with club PR...

It would have to be within an agreed framework, of course, and with appropriate limitations.

I suspect that one or two of the club directors (and I am not referring to the Chairman) would view allowing this as utter heresy - maybe also ones who help give Red the understandable impression that "At times I do get the feeling that the fans are necessary evil if they could get away with out us they would".

I've heard it said that one or two directors have referred to the fans as "fickle" - and whilst there is undeniable truth in that (as we have seen demonstrated on here) I really think the club needs to find some more effective way of engaging with the generality of the supporters - and especially with the more dedicated ones - than is currently the case.

And if that smacks of apostasy from me, well its only because, like most of the people who post on here, I care and I want to see this club back where it belongs.

5000 fans giving a tenner does not seem too unrealistic. That's half way there. But agreed, I can't see it happening.

What about Stuart Raper. He's got experience of SL and he got some good performances out of Cas who you could say were in a similar position to how we are now during his reign

He didn't exactly break any pots at Wigan did he? His record in Oz was pants too.

TBH I think he's second rate.

IMO this would be a good move as I don't think there is a wealth of caoching experience at the club now.

This may seem daft but what about bringing in a recently retired player like Robbie Paul or Big Joe. IMO Macca just needs more help, not necessarily an older bloke. Dare I say it but what about making Menzies vice player coach in the short term. If respect is needed he's got it by the bagful.

Bringing in a Director of Coaching or whatever is just a euphemism, it is no more and no less than giving the existing coach the push, however you want to dress it up.

When Leeds sacked Powell, their risible story was that he was temporarily moving into the loft or somewhere, for some far fetched reason, but he'd be back at the helm the next year. Yeah, right.

Whichever way you do it, it involves you (at least) doubling your head coach bill, or writing a big cheque to the outgoing man.

IIRC Menzies and Morrison could only coach while they remain registered as players. Once they retire they would have to go back to Oz or apply for a work permit to stay in the UK as a coach which is apparently unlikely to be granted (you need NRL coaching experience to get a coaching job over here if you;re from overseas).

It'd be a very short term option and would mean that we'd still have to recruit a new coach at some stage and he would want to have a say in recruitment. If he came in at the end of the season that would be too late for us.

Besides we need both Menzies and Morrison on the field, the days of the player/coach at the top level are long gone. I expect McNamara is making use of their experience anyway so not sure what difference it would make.

I'm not suggesting he takes over as head coach. I'm just suggesting someone with coaching experience of a team at our current level.

Well something needs to be done. The current setup is not getting the results no matter how you chose to spin the facts. People are bleeting about not making knee jerk reactions and not sacking the coach but it would appear that offering an alternative solution garners the same responses.

damned if you do damned if you don't is how it seems to me

His argument regarding offering solutions is irrefutable, I suggest?

We don't know just how much Steve has on his shoulders, particularly in matters not directly related to coaching the first team. What we do know is that they are having to run a very tight ship up there. I'd suggest that anything that lightened the burden of peripheral responsibilities on Steve's shoulders - that we could afford - would have to be a good thing?

I don't agree that "something needs to be done" as a euphemism for "get another coach". If you meant something else, please say, and i'll tell you what I think.


"Bleating"? But sacking the coach for one performance - however bad - is about as knee jerk as it gets. What alternative solution? If you mean adding a huge wage bill so as to have another coach, and McNamara retained as some sort of 'pretend' coach, seems like the worst of all worlds to me. It's not "the same response", as nobody has put the point before to respond to, so how could it be "the same response"?


Don't really understand what you're referring to there.

What I mean is that McNamara and his staff seem to consistantly fail to get the team to produce consistant performances on the pitch. Now, this may be down to players playing with injures, an over all lack of fitness with certain players, tactical ineptitude or a combination of all 3. Bringing in someone with fresh ideas might actually alter that



It's not one performance. It's constant under performances in games against play-off bound teams (yes wigan have had a bad start but I'd bet money that kicking the crap out of us will help spur them on better than it will spur us on to avoid future defeats)

I doubt Greg Bird would be on NMW so we'd hardly be adding a wage that the club couldn't already afford by bringing in a new coach



Well I make no bones about the fact I do not believe McNamara is up to the job and that he should be replaced. This opinion makes me vilified in certain eyes. However, some people on here feel he should be given longer so I offer an alternative to sacking and recieve just as much vilification. damned if you do

just a suggestion but rather than a director of rugby, which would inevitably undermine macca how about improving the assistant coaches? Paul medley has to stay for the work he's doing with the youth but I totally fail to see what basil richards and lee st hilaire bring to the party. Given that one of maccas perceived failings is being too close to the players and unable to give them a dressing down how about bringing in someone to help as assistant and be the 'hardman' and give more direction from the touchline?

Theres two obvious candidates with SL experience and a history with bulls already in karl harrison and jimmy lowes (and he certainly looked pee'd off enough to leave wire at the press conference announcing smith last week

). The only caveat to this move, would be to only bring them in on a one year initial contract, so that if we do eventually decide to replace macca then the incoming head coach has a freehand to bring in his own backroom staff next season.

also can't imagine losing the present assistants would involve unmanageable payouts. Just a further thought, people keep saying that macca picked his assistants. Apart from the standard club press releases where he said this (and would he be allowed to say anything else?) what proof do we have for this idea and is it possible that they imposed on him by the board as a cost cutting measure.

Or, it may be the normal condition, for practically any team, give or take?


Beg to differ. When's the last time a Bradford team played as poorly as that? Clue: Yoou'd have to go back many years.


The trouble with a fair proportion of the NT/Sack Mac brigades is they have such thin skins, and see any post disagreeing with their view as "vilification". It's a strange trait, this uber-touchiness. Who vilifies you?

2nd half of the 2007 play-off against Wigan. I'd hardly call that a glowing performance, that's not many years. The drubbing Leeds handed us last easter at Headingley. Was that not of a similar poor level?

Who vilifies me? Well maybe that was too strong a word. However you seem very quick to disagree with anyone who voices the same opinions as me. So it would seem you're no better than me just because you want to stick with what we've got. But let's face it, if humanity kept to that mindset we'd all still be sat in trees flinging poo at each other

You keep saying we can't afford to sack Mcnamara - how do you know? Sure we don't have a load of £ to rub together but you may find there's no option if performances don't improve

I guess if the club has just had to let a number of staff go, when the ship is tight enough as it is, its sort of means that the funds are not there? Or is that a tad naive...?

So why did the club tell every thing financially is rosy at the fans forum like wise we was a senior member of the club telling supporters the exact same thing before the Huddersfield game. IMO the club needs to be more transparent with whats going on. It wouldn't excuse the performances of late but people may be more willing to accept it better if they know more of whats happening.

Er...I refer the honourable gentleman to the issue I have raised several times earlier!

There has to be a balance struck between providing realistic information and what makes sense commercially. As I said in an earlier post though, I think the club would benefit on balance by being a bit more candid with the fans.

I guess also that the club will now have a better idea of the likely attendances and income streams now the season has started. I also suspect that, like most businesses, the club realises the recession is going to be far far worse than originally expected and than most people still appreciate (I still doubt that more than a few percent of the population yet realise just how seriously our economy has been damaged, and for at least a generation). That's all conjecture on my part though.