Can I put a sneaky hand up from the back of the room and agree its time macca went.
And if we`re after coach nominations can I nominate redeveready, think he`s more qualified than maccas assistants.

I think I've figured it out. This is all part of the board's plans to get the OSV put through. And the way they're going to do this is.... by turning us into a Union side



Seriously think about it. The lack of skills from the players, The lack of fitness as well. And last night, only one try and lots of penalty kicks.

Basically, once we switch the clubs code all the government "old boys" network all comes into play and we'll have a shiny new stadium in no time at all

I haven't seen anything to suggest Macca has lost the dressing room. And despite what some have said I genuinely felt the effort was there from the majority of players. The trouble we have is that we still have a few many ordinary players in key positions. Namely stand off and full back, also we have a hooker who seems unable to deliver an accurate pass and a scrum half who looks past his best.

However the most infuriating thing last night was how similar it was to the Hull game. Our forwards were once again on top, but yet we still had no idea in front of the try line. One man rugby didn't work against KR and it didn't work against the Giants. We still haven't learnt that defences have improved and simply trying to power over is no longer effective. Oh and any chance we could develop a kicking game? If we were struggling to break them down, why didn't we utilise more kicks?

I wouldn't call for McNamara to be sacked at this stage, but this year really does have to be the year we see some better displays. We need to see an organised team who look like they're all playing to the same gameplan. If this year follows the same route as last, we simply have to then make a change for 2010.

Tony Smith, Ellery Hanley.

But is also able to win trophy's.

Seriously..Would you have Noble back?

Whoever you bring in is still going to have to deal with the fact that our recruitment policy has been a c0ck up since McNamara came in. This means we have a side that lacks creativity and pace from 1-7.

We've played two games this season and still displayed many of our old bad habits. While I've stuck up for McNamara in the past I've gone from sitting on the fence to now wondering if a change would fix some of the fundamental faults that he seems unable to rectify.

With the state he left us in, no chance.

I'm also on the 'sack McNamara' band wagon. Last night was the tipping point.

I think I would have Brian Noble back as head coach.

Why would they be beating a path to the door. We have a coach still in place. f he goes you could be surprised by who's intrested. We can't carry on with the excuse we can't get rid of McNamara because their isn't anyone else.

Quite. Kear has 'proved' himself incompetent by message board standards on more than one occasion, and yet still seems capable of putting a decent side on the pitch as well.

Without knowing all the circumstances involved in Noble's departure it's hard to say whether I'd take him back. He's hardly doing much at Wigan with more resources and a better balanced squad either.

Nail on head it's the same faults that are plaguing us week in week out.

The 2006 squad Noble left us with is league's in front of the current team.

With no risk of relegation then it doesn't make much sense to sack a coach at an early stage of the season, however he certainly shouldn't be in charge next year unless there is a major improvement, however the failings in his team are re-occurring and there is no evidence to suggest he or his coaching staff have the ability to rectify this.

A decision will have to be made before too long though, so the club can get the ball rolling in terms of idenitifying a replacement with recruitment for next season in mind.

While I think Wigan have overachieved with the squad they have by finishing in 3rd in the last two seasons I don't think Noble should be considered for a return, Superleague has evolved and I'm not sure his coaching style has.

But McNamara isn't.

I was talking about his youth development in the latter stage of his spell at the Bulls, and now with his spell at Wigan.

Is McNamara any better at this.

If we lose next week to Wigan I'm going to be joining the McNamara out thread, no wins out of 3 relatively (should have been) easy games just isn't acceptable. When will the club realise that until we sign some decent backs we are going to continue to fail to score tries, therefore we aren't going to win games! McNamara out if we lose to Wigan.

He has done. I suspect he can again.

There was no resource for youth development, we also had a chairman who thought success could be maintained by concentrating spending on the first team.

There's no doubting that Noble prefers players he can trust and isn't one to throw too many youngsters in however a youth development structure takes time to build, and from what I've seen the ones at Wigan aren't as good as they are made out to be when they are not playing. See all the other potential Wigan greats over the last few years who their coaches of the time have been slated for not using - it isn't like many of them have gone on to great things after leaving, they were all much of a muchness too.

The only time McNamara can be said to have put a good side out on the pitch at Bradford is when the side was someone elses.

When.

2006. 2007. Hull away 2008



Seems a bit churlish to give the credit for good sides he put out to 'someone else', while also holding him responsible for the state the club was left in by that same person(s).

I have to agree with you on that one.