This comes down to whether you are a glass half empty or a glass half full kind of guy. We've not seen enough of the guy to know if he's good enough or not and we don't know why Potter isn't playing him. So jump to whatever conclusions you want.

Personally I'd rather hope he needs time and will come good because the alternative is we'll starting next season with a new half back partnership and be no further forward. Can I prove it? No, but then ME I doubt you can prove he's crap either.

32 tries last year makes me loath to write him off when we have had just ten games and he has been unavailable through injury for many of them.

In any case, what's the point? Why so gleeful at seeing a Bulls player struggle? It's the tone of relish in your negative posts that I find distasteful, same as with your Hawkyard post. I honestly don't get why anyone would follow a team and continually snipe at them. It's weird behaviour.

I've seen all Briggs displays in the U20's and he's not stood out. Potter will have seen this too and none of us no hows he's doing in training.

Erm, gleeful??? Making things up now are we? I am merely stating a point in the same way that many others have done. FWIW, I wish he was a world beater, but he isn't and he ain't gonna be. Whether you find it distasteful or not bothers me nothing in the slightest.

Plenty on here have bagged the likes of Sibbit, Sykes, Herbert etc this season but you fail to make a big deal of their posts? Funny that. Perhaps you should resign as a moderator because I fail to see how you can do your job properly when you devote all your time to following me around?

I have been very supportive of the players brought in this season, despite a disasterous start. Briggs however is clearly not up to it like we could tell early on with Tupou (if I am allowed to use him????) As I said, the fact that we are playing players out of position rather than play him speaks volumes.

Well, it does to most people anyway.

ME, you refer to 3 players above. Sibbit was released by Salford, I don't think anyone thought he'd be a good signing? Sykes was exposed for his flaws years ago, and I'd still like Herbert to be given time before we judge him.

You then mention Tupou, who actually scored something like 5 in his first 4 games as I recall. He was billed as the "new Lesley" by some and it was only in his second season we realised he'd be a flop. Briggs has played two super league games, and actually looked ok against Leeds. You could be right about him but I don't think there is yet the evidence that he isn't or will ever be up to super league standard.

Dear me, it is called having an opinion. In MY opinion Briggs ain't gonna be good enough for the side. People may well have differing opinions and fine but I reckon he is a dud. Now as far as I was aware there is no rule in the AUP saying you cannot post an opinion???

Time will tell on Briggs but I doubt I will be proven wrong.

I am sure my opposition on here would be forced to concede that because we are trying practically anyone bar him in his chosen position does suggest that at this time, Mr Potter feels he ain't up to much either? Perhaps?

Because (and I guess I should stress, IMO) if there were the signs that he will make it I am sure MP would be persevering with him in order to avoid the possible scenario as mentioned earlier of the need for a new HB pairing next season.

And the fact that some people continue to pedal the myth that he was good v Leeds at the Millenium is bemusing to say the least. He was dreadful for 50+ minutes of that game. As for Salford??????????

Course you're entitled to your opinion, I've never said otherwise. My point is you seem to have written him off based on his performance in two games. I'd have to see the Leeds game again (actually, given how it ended that won't be happening!) to say how Briggs played but I recall thinking he did well. I could be wrong.

I think Potter will have an open mind on who has a future at the Bulls. I'm just saying Briggs hasn't had a fair chance to show whether he is a good or bad signing yet.

As you say, time will tell. But if you continue to judge Briggs based purely on his performance in the Salford game you can surely name 16 other players who should never play for the club again?

Job.



As for the rest of it, no one's saying Briggs will definitely make it. But what's to be gained by going in hard and early that he won't? Nothing. And what's lost? The atmosphere of support and encouragement, something players regularly quote as something important to their success. I doubt that Briggs appreciates being called 'mince' and I doubt other players you hold in regard (such as... ?) appreciate him being called it either.

By all means, maintain your hanging judge mentality. You are right, you're not the only one on here, though you are one of the few who is definitely not just here on a wind up. Post what you want, but expect to get it commented upon. Don't like that? Head for the T&A's open waters.

so what is actually wrong with Briggs?

good question!

Of course I expect to get it commented on, it is a message board is it not? I am merely puzzled as to why you always seem to pick up on my posts yet ignore similar posts from other members of the board.

But if you want to ignore the question then do so.

(As for the T&A board comment? That is now the second time you have made such an offer. If I am that bad I wonder why you don't just ban me? Barring of course the fact that I am one of the few on here that keep this board vibrant. Where it is wind up comments or not, at least I provoke responses in ways that most don't. Must be doing something right.)

As for you claiming that I described Briggs as "mince". I did not and I expect you to retract that statement. I actually said that Sykes was mince but better than briggs who has not yet reached such a level.

I would love to hear why you dont rate Briggs? Genuine question, but i personally havent seen enough of him to form an opinion. I accept i dont watch the championship on TV on Thursday nights so is this what you base your assesment on on?

Note to Bets'y Bulls, it AINT JUST ME that don't rate him. However, in order to answer your question he looks completely clueless and out of his depth at this level. His passing game is crap, his kicking game is worse and his reading of the game is even worse than that. 32 tries at Championship level make no difference to me. There are numerous examples in different sports of players who excel at a far lower level that cannot make the step up.

It is quite obvious really.

I accept he may go on to prove me wrong and I really hope he does but it is hard to see it happening. As I have already stated, he is way down the pecking order for his own position that is currently being filled with a combo of Full Backs, Hookers and Centres (utility back). Which says it all really.

Thank You for answering my question why you dont rate him. You just seem very certain of his abilities i just assumed you watched him play regularly. I have only seen 2 pre season friendlies & the two SL games he has appeared in

2 Friendly appearances and 2 SL appearances confirm alot these days don't they?

So far they have confirmed he is utter flaps. Up to him to change that.

It is, and I hope he's given chance to change it.

For now though, I've realised it's not a good idea to comment on your posts as you don't debate, just state what you think is fact. Shame, if you are actually Scottish we could have chatted at Odsal and you'd have been one of the few people there that I'd actually be able to understand

The thing is, I don't think that Briggs is one for this season. I think his signing is more likely part of the long term overhaul of the team. You know, putting him next to Southernwood? Setting up a solid 6&7 partnership in the u20's where the results aren't as important as development and building an understanding.

As for those who are saying he's no good after 2 games at SL level, well, I don't think you can judge a player on such a short space of time. Especially given that those 2 games were 2 months apart. It's not like he's played consistently since the start of the season and been poor every week. He's moved up from the championship and that's a big step. He may struggle at first, but I think he'll come good given time.

Do you state what you think is fiction then?



I have said it before, I will say it again, I am stating my opinion, but backing it up with a few facts too. Just to strengthen my opinion of course.

Right now there is no 'fact' or 'fiction' that Briggs will be good enough for us, only opinion.

Haven't got time to respond to every numpty, but fwiw some no-mark laying into Herbert got a similar response as the one you've got from me. So the assumption in your question renders your question obsolete.


No interest in going down the road of banning people where it can be avoided, it's never been that sort of board. However, it's also never been the sort of board where we've worried too much about people whining about getting a raw deal from the mods. The policy has always been, if you don't like it do one. Same for you as everyone else. You profess not to like it but keep on coming back, so lucky us.

I don't think he was signed for the future at all. Think he was signed as a stop gap that hasn't worked out. He was a bit of a gamble after the bull had failed to sign a major stand off. He's 23, not that young for an RL back. He should be first team now. I know the interest from Bradford came out of the blue for Briggs.

Potter must have a real issue with him though to not play him Monday, after we were told Sykes pretty much won't play stand off.

But you are putting your "spin" on the facts. I have seen 1 of the friendlies and both the SL games. You lay into his passing & kicking game from your "facts".

I don´t remember much about his passing game from the Leeds game but his short kicking game was great. The Salford game everyone´s passing & kicking & tackling were basically mince so you can´t really single out Briggs.

I have seen enough to know there is at least a competent SL level player in there (& hopefully more) and how he develops is down to the coaching

I assume that the "no mark" that you refer to so politely is Bulls4Champs2010?

If so, let me point out that he is considerably more clued up on all aspects of the game than you are and is correct far more regularly than he is wrong. So if you view him as a "no mark" it shows what plenty of people must think of you and your opinions.

(I am being generous by saying that you actually HAVE an opinion as it appears clear you have been brainwashed into saying whatever the club want you to say for some reason.)

Let me make this easy for you to understand shall I?

My opinion.....

Briggs is out of his depth at SL level. His all round game is woefully short of the required standard.

The fact......

He is being overlooked for a SO role despite being the only "specialist" SO in the first team squad. So far at least this season HIS role has been filled by, Kearney (full back), LeStrange (Hooker) and very probably Sykes (a centre/utility back who we were told would never play stand off again) as opposed to Briggs getting a game. Therefore the only SO we really have cannot get a game at SO despite being fully fit?

So where is the "spin"?