Typical fekking champagne socialist...

Thats not champers Adey its sparkling Perry!

I prefer a strong pale ale. Can't get my head around champers at all.

Not till now, but that's a great idea, wonder why I never thought of it myself?

I remember when I.P.A and E.I.P.A was the young mans drink then along came Lager!

The company made a profit last year and the "old" board departed with almost £200,000 positve cash in the bank. There was NEVER any intention of going into administration. A "saviour" had contacted the club who was willing to commit £2.5 million. He was interviewed and researched. The "saviour" then turned about to be a fraud falsely representing someone elses identity, who had actuallyy been in prison for similar offences previously.

It still amazes me to see all these posts talking about "investors" or "saviours" - there aren't any - certainly not on the scale people are dreaming about.

As the pledge showed - any solution is going to have to come from the fans on the terraces. Infact if we get any more injuries the next stage of the saga will be "pledge and pull a shirt on"

I totally agree. But the point I was making, rather poorly, was that those who have exited had total belief that this guy would come up with the goods. Demands were made on them to stand down on the basis that the investors CC had in line would only do so if Hood and Bennett stood down, which they have done. The new "old" regime were aiming to put the club to the sword but the finances were not as bad as they had anticipated. Hence the lack of action and current status of limbo at the club

Think that might clarify a bit the background behind the earlier posting, and why you put the letter in the public domain?

When was this "Saviour" unmasked? Was he one of the options that the previous board was pursuing at the time of the pledge? If you are able to say? Might this have been a reason behind PH genuinely believing he DID have investors interested, and therefore for resisting the demand to step down until the truth became clear? Speculating again, of course.

It has been indicated before - maybe by you in another guise? - that the club made a profit last year. I never managed to square that statement at the time with 2011 profit + RFL cash for Odsal - repayment of RFL loan = we still had no cash for when the bank pulled the plug. The nearest I got to it was if the image rights tax and the Harris settlement final installment had all been fully provided for in the accounts up to 31/12/10, and so the company had already taken the profit hit in 2010 and before but the cash hit was in 2011 and 2012 onwards?

It would certainly have been quite a turnround from 2010, although I can speculate on the above and other facets where the cash flows did not mirror the recognition of profit. I really really would love to have someone explain, with the facts and truthfully, why we really ended up with no cash after selling the lease.

I'd expect there to be cash in the bank at the time the old BoD stood down. They resigned on 8 May, and there would need to have been cash in the bank to pay the salaries on 14th and the PAYE etc a few days later.

I am quite sure there was never any intent by the old BoD to put the club into administration. The wording of the letter seemed to me to be an attempt (and understandable, in a bitter business dispute) by the likely victor to ensure history did not record him as the bad guy. That said, given the (to me, still inexplicable) fact that we seemingly had no spare cash even after the lease sale, once the external funding was pulled then administration will have been a certainty I expect had the pledge not succeeded.

My take on it all remains that, for whatever reason, the club was solvent but with no reserves until the bank and RFL funding was pulled (again, for whatever reasons). The pledge was needed to fill that hole and make the club just about solvent again, but the ongoing income was insufficient to cover costs hence the stated need for further funds. In the absence of further funds, in the short term I presume we would have been selling players to sugar-daddied clubs to see us through this year. In the absence of enough new funding or improved income next year, we'd have been cutting the player budget and restoring membership prices, and maybe even then still coming up short.

But I continue to speculate, and really wish (but do not expect) that one day we will find out the facts behind all this.

And the disaster that was last weekend, with the contrived extra fixture quite possibly costing us the play-offs as well as losing five players and a near-fatality, has not helped the new BoD one bit either.

ps. you have answered my question about the "Saviour" while I was typing this.

Which is precisely what I have been arguing and suspecting. Bit hard to go for administration if you are not actually insolvent?

I just wish we had some facts to either prove I read it correctly, or prove I have totally misread it and have been talking bollox through reaching incorrect conclusions based on available evidence.

The club is a relatively small business with a minimal number of creditors. Any due dilligence which actively involves the present CEO, however limited his role was under the last BOD, should have been completed now.

Cash flow forecasting for a business this size again should not take any reasonable Accountant more than a week to compete. Revenue is fairly easily ascertained.

The old new Board have experience of the club and very recently as well so this is not new to them either.

So what is the delay????

On 3rd May 2012 Stephen Coulby said the following,

"he and his fellow shareholders are determined to avoid taking the club into administration"

I can only assume you're suggesting he's brazenly lying. Is there an incident in his 50 odd year association with the club to lead one to this conclusion?

Just to caution - we haven't seen the response to Caisley's letter which states that Hood agreed the finances were worse than thought, with losses month on month. This is the opposite of what Incredibullman now claims and therefore one would expect Hood to have corrected CC's assertion in writing. I think we have to assume that were there a response refuting this then the poster would have access to it.

Secondly, Coulby also makes the precise same claim in the T and A almost a month ago (along with some other gems) which have also recieved no response.

And, set against that, our resident forum lawyer explained the other day - in response to my suggestion that failure to respond could weaken his case - why he would not have expected (and presumably not have advised) Hood to respond.

I also sounded out another legal eagle, who said that in such a situation a public response and ensuing argument was frequently what the antagonist was seeking to induce. His advice in such cases was always to ignore the provocation and leave it to the court or arbitrator to decide, and never engage in a defence through the media unless you were a pro at it.

So that left me still none the wiser as to how to interpret the lack of response.

Then why didn't he keep Caisley's letter private?

Incredibullman hasn't come to the conclusion that CC planned administration all along by enigma. Someone significant (probably the same person gave him/her the letter) has told them.

There is always the possibility that IBM was close enough to the action to be aware for himself what was going on?

In what role?

He/She has a copy of private correspondence between two people. it follows that Incredibullman is either Peter Hood or Chris Caisley or they've been given the letter by either Peter Hood or Chris Caisley.

Assuming the letter is genuine, then unless there was an intermediate party involved the argument is irrefutable.

Or picked it up from the photocopier........accessed someone's computer......found it at the bottom of a pile of papers.....

Am I confused? Is the implication here that even though the letter clearly state that he doesn't want the club in administration, people still think that CC is somehow still plotting it all along, and the letter is part of an elaborate double bluff?

How does that work then?

It's how some have chosen to roll around these 'ere parts lately; primarily to mitigate their failing, misguided beliefs and also because they have been sold an absolute stinker of a sob story by the previous BoD. That they are unable to see the notion you outline is actually farcical, and essentially impractical, is indicative of their mis-comprehension as to the whole situation, and indeed that their "intelligence-led" approach is somewhat ironic.

Also duly noted Mr Hoods very appearance on these forums as a relatively new poster (another pseudonym to align with his strategically placed stooges).

I shall make little comment on the letter, other than to reiterate the bloody obvious; only somebody who would benefit in a public perception led environment would benefit from its very presence. Wouldn't they PH?

And anyway. Whether or not administration, as a means to secure full control, was his intent originally, I'd admit to being surprised and disappointed if that was his preferred option now. I really can't see what it would solve financially, and he'd be seen as the bad guy in the eyes of a lot of people. If he was ever motivated to gain victory over Hood (and I have no idea if he was, one way or the other) then indeed I fear it could prove to be something of a pyrrhic victory.

But is it not perfectly clear from the letter that administration was not his intent?
Why do people doubt it?

Because not everyone is naïve enough to believe that everything said in a formal legalistic business letter, containing both demands and a clear warning from one party to a commercial conflict to another as well as quite clearly seeking to establish that party's version of the timeline for the record, is to be taken at face value. I wish it was otherwise.

I have written, been party to and received enough of such letters over my too-many years to feel I can speak from some experience, unfortunately. Its all part of one big game, and almost everybody except bullies and the lawyers who make good money out of it (sorry FA...) hates it, in my experience.