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| Quote Presumably we would have to pay off the remainder of their contracts if they were to leave, so this makes no sense to me. We would lose them as backup, yet still have their wages count towards the salary cap. Completely illogical'"
Don't have to do no such thing. Platt and Syke will want first team rugby (you would hope so anyway) So they won't want to stay. So they will look for another club and a mutual termination will be agreed. Or they stay and only play when we have an injury crisis.
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| Quote ="Bulls4Champs2010"You know quite well what it says.'"
It doesn't make it easy to read though. Surely if you have trouble spelling you would use spell check right?
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Well, the club may have sat down with both players and explained that they're now both way down the pecking order in terms of playing and if they want to look at getting a new club they can.
I'm not sure, but does a mutual termination agreement mean the club won't have to pay the full money owed but rather just the money given as the pay off to the player?'"
As I understand it any money paid to them as a payoff is split over remaining years of their contracts and counts towards it. eg sykes has 2 years left we pay him 20k and take a 10k hit on our salary cap for the next two years. You have to spread the hit over the contract length and cant take it all next year. Adey will probably have definitive answer but Im pretty sure thats correct.
Sykes I can understand but Platt seems a bit strange as Potter only re-signed him at easter.
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| i said couple of weeks ago get rid of some players and i believe these 2 were on the list and i got pelted as usual, now if its true, its come from the club and they do leave, will i get an apology for coming out with a stupid statement
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| Since then tho potter has been getting more and more annoyed with peoples attitude..if someone takes your place in the team you`re meant to fight to get back in, impress the boss, not just sit back, go through the motions and just accept it
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| if potter wants to get annoyed with peoples attitude he should look on here a few times a day
anyway, i would definately agree with getting rid of these very average players
for those who say platt could be a super league centre, is this not his 3rd season playing centre, how long does he need
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| Quote ="roger daily"i said couple of weeks ago get rid of some players and i believe these 2 were on the list and i got pelted as usual, now if its true, its come from the club and they do leave, will i get an apology for coming out with a stupid statement'"
If I remember rightly did you not say to sack them? If we did that we'd have to pay off the full contract and keep counting it on the cap, which I'm pretty sure was what people hit you with. So sacking them isn't an option. Telling them they won't be first choice next season and may want to look elsewhere isn't the same thing.
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| jock just looked at the thread i started and i never said sack them as i know thats easier said than done, this is exactly what i meant and what i put on there, tell them they are way down the pecking order and they may then look for a new club,just as halley did
maybe im not the everyone thought
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| although got to admit i didnt mention sykes, but he must of been one of the players everyone wanted shut of, out of the 5 i mentioned by name looks like 3 maybe 4 wont be there next season, only donaldson may remain, and you know my views on him
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| Quote ="roger daily"jock just looked at the thread i started and i never said sack them as i know thats easier said than done, this is exactly what i meant and what i put on there, tell them they are way down the pecking order and they may then look for a new club,just as halley did
maybe im not the booty everyone thought'"
Fair enough, difficult to keep track of all these "lets have a clearout" threads.
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| i probably started a few of them
if we have space on the quota,and i know nobody knows,i would get a quality prop or quality ball playing loose forward
i know we have had a couple of false dawns in last couple of year,but at last we will have wingers with pace,quality centres(from the little bit i have seen of them on premier sports,massive improvement on what we have had for a few year)two exciting half backs,pack with a bit of size,ie burgess,elima,scruton(needs to improve a bit) plus others,not looking too bad
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| Quote ="mercerbull"Both have been told to look elsewhere if they want first team rugby'"
Really don't believe this rumour for a second!
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| Quote ="Bullsfab!"Really don't believe this rumour for a second!'"
Please substantiate this malicious and fictitious rumour as I for one know it is not true! Wherever you heard this pal someone is pulling your leg!!
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| bloody hope it is
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| its certainly doing the rounds that is for sure!
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| Quote ="Bullsfab!"Please substantiate this malicious and fictitious rumour as I for one know it is not true! Wherever you heard this pal someone is pulling your leg!!'"
the club have signed 2 NRL centres on 2 and 3 year contracts. they are going to be reserves????? It is not rumour, it is logic. get used to it, I am sure Platt and Sykes have, and they will respond accordingly.
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"the club have signed 2 NRL centres on 2 and 3 year contracts. they are going to be reserves????? It is not rumour, it is logic. get used to it, I am sure Platt and Sykes have, and they will respond accordingly.'"
not true at all! merely speculation and gossip mongering! i could see it possibly happening to sykes if he doesnt get any game time come next season but def not platt as he is contracted until 2013
leave room for horror injuries like this season and both platt and sykes could get ample game time in 2012
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| whether it is true or not is irrelevant, it is a fact that Platt and Sykes are going to have to play really well to be first choice and they do not have to be told that, they can work that one out themselves. But if they are up for it is great for us as competition for places has been limited by injuries this season to the extent that Whitehead played centre several times and shows why Potter has a liking for players that can cover several positions. and if whoever is first choice gets injured, theres a replacement all fired up to keep hold of that place, and the squad works as it should do to provide a more consistent and committed level of performance, not the roller coaster that we have had enough of this season.
So I hope they do get plenty of game time, and not because of injuries but because they have lifted to a higher level of performance.
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Well, the club may have sat down with both players and explained that they're now both way down the pecking order in terms of playing and if they want to look at getting a new club they can.
I'm not sure, but does a mutual termination agreement mean the club won't have to pay the full money owed but rather just the money given as the pay off to the player?'"
I'd guess a mutual termination would apply only if they secured another contract elsewhere. Maybe, if their new contract was for less money than they were earning at the Bulls they would most likely be in a position to ask the Bulls to make up the difference.
Given that the amount in question would probably be (in contract terms) relatively modest, the club might well prefer to pay this, even though it would count on the cap, rather than have a player they don't really want on the books for another season.
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| See under "Chris Feather"...
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| Hope this isnt true I think both players still have a role at the club particularly Platt who shows commitment game after game.
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| Whilst it seems unusual, Connors reaction seems unusual and makes me think its true. He has denied rumours before saying they are rubbish, but here he has said its between the players and potter...
either player would be a good signing for teams such as quins, widnes or wakey etc and could probably get more ££ than they can at the bulls
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| Given both players are under contract for the next 2 years, I doubt the club will be looking to release them as we all know that wouldn't be of benefit due to their salary still counting on our cap and leaving us 2 players down without the money to replace them.
However, given the signings of Lulia and Purtell on long deals it may be that the club will sit down with Platt and Sykes and tell them that they're reserve players who won't be getting first team game time unless there's significant injuries and if they're wanting to play first team rugby that they are free to discuss moves with other clubs.
But, I'm still not sure that either will be leaving
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| i dont believe they will pay them off, but if they move and come off the cap it may work
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| If we want to get back into the top 4 or even top 6, we need to ditch players such as Platt, Sykes, Sibbit ect. I know you cant have a team full of superstars, but its simple, no matter how much you like the guys there simply not good enough. The club needs to be more ruthless, its the only way we will get back to the top. As for Donaldson, he would be a fantastic player if he had the quality of players around him as Peacock did when he was coming through. Stick Donaldson in the Wigan or Warrington team and you would see a different player. Whitehead, Donaldson, Olbsion, Addy, Bateman dont have the players of any quality to learn from, that is why it was a massive mistake to let Steve Menzies go.
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