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| but still not a salary cap breach as OP stated.
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| Quote ="dull nickname"still an amount that bulls couldn't afford.'"
Irrelevant to the subject of the thread.
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| Quote ="mat"but still not a salary cap breach as OP stated.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Irrelevant to the subject of the thread.'"
Adey i often read this forum for updates as a concerned outsider, i want you guys to survive and sympathise as a wakefield fan (no really i do) but sometimes i think you all just put these kind of comments on out of embarrassment. Like the one i quoted from you the other day that just seemed to slate Davey for contributing time and money to OUR sport.
I know you'll have people gunning for you but come on Bulls spent more than they should have done went bust and are now been bailed out big time. we can all have an opinion on that. and if the OP's is that 6 points compared to he amount spent on player salary's is pathetic then cop for it
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| The OP's opinion is that we should be docked a further 6 points due to breaching the salary, ok but it has been proved by adey that this salary crap hasnt been breached making this argument or opinion redudant...
Sure everyone can have their own personal opinion on any matter they like the problem comes when it is a completely wrong opinion and you try to impose it on others by posting it in such a way!
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| Quote ="dull nickname"Adey i often read this forum for updates as a concerned outsider, i want you guys to survive and sympathise as a wakefield fan (no really i do) but sometimes i think you all just put these kind of comments on out of embarrassment. Like the one i quoted from you the other day that just seemed to slate Davey for contributing time and money to OUR sport.
I know you'll have people gunning for you but come on Bulls spent more than they should have done went bust and are now been bailed out big time. we can all have an opinion on that. and if the OP's is that 6 points compared to he amount spent on player salary's is pathetic then cop for it'"
If you're a Wakefield fan then you are in no position to complain. If Bradford are bought out of admin then it is no different to what happened to Wakefield. Wakefield received a 4 point deduction, yet you are demanding that Bradford receive more punishment?
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| Quote ="Bulls4"The OP's opinion is that we should be docked a further 6 points due to breaching the salary, ok but it has been proved by adey that this salary crap hasnt been breached making this argument or opinion redudant...
Sure everyone can have their own personal opinion on any matter they like the problem comes when it is a completely wrong opinion and you try to impose it on others by posting it in such a way!'"
sure the sl cap wasn't breached but the lets not pay more than we can afford cap of every business and every person who posts on here was.
this is an open forum so get used to people imposing opinions, and reasonable posters can subvert their OPs in to a reasonable debate. Lets face it it's the zealots who are going to start these conversations they love to shout. as if to prove that the sle bid that was the conspiracy theory from many isn't in it according to the beeeb
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| Quote ="Him"If you're a Wakefield fan then you are in no position to complain. If Bradford are bought out of admin then it is no different to what happened to Wakefield. Wakefield received a 4 point deduction, yet you are demanding that Bradford receive more punishment?'"
when and where did i? this is one of those blushing posts.
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| Quote ="dull nickname"Adey i often read this forum for updates as a concerned outsider, i want you guys to survive and sympathise as a wakefield fan (no really i do) but sometimes i think you all just put these kind of comments on out of embarrassment. Like the one i quoted from you the other day that just seemed to slate Davey for contributing time and money to OUR sport.
I know you'll have people gunning for you but come on Bulls spent more than they should have done went bust and are now been bailed out big time. we can all have an opinion on that. and if the OP's is that 6 points compared to he amount spent on player salary's is pathetic then cop for it'"
As did Wakey, and went bust for the same reason. Although it is still far from certain we would have gone bust had the Intervention not taken place (even if I suspect we would not have liked the alternative very much either). But you are missing the point. The OP made a false statement, and that has been debunked. There are plenty of other, sensible threads for debating sensible matters such as you allude to.
As for Davy, I wonder whether - in the long run - these very wealthy benefactors, who bankroll clubs for millions sometimes every year, are actually doing the sport any good in the long term? We are ending up with a batch of clubs that would go bust immediately if their owners withdrew, that are nowhere near standing on their own. At least Bulls managed throughout the first 16 years of SL to stand on their own, without a mega-rich owner. That is some achievement when set against our contemporaries. The Great Recession was always going to hit hardest those clubs that were having to stand on their own.
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| Quote ="dull nickname"sure the sl cap wasn't breached but the lets not pay more than we can afford cap of every business and every person who posts on here was.
this is an open forum so get used to people imposing opinions, and reasonable posters can subvert their OPs in to a reasonable debate. Lets face it it's the zealots who are going to start these conversations they love to shout. as if to prove that the sle bid that was the conspiracy theory from many isn't in it according to the beeeb'"
Did you use a random word generator to come up with that?
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| Quote ="dull nickname"when and where did i? this is one of those blushing posts.'"
Which is why I put a little question mark at the end, as it was asking you something. As you seemed to be sympathising with the idiotic OP.
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| Quote ="dull nickname"sure the sl cap wasn't breached but the lets not pay more than we can afford cap of every business and every person who posts on here was. '"
Completely agree with you on this but my point is that this 'more than we can afford cap' is different to the official salary cap the OP referred to.
Like i said everyone is entitled to any opinion they care to have and i am always open to intelligent debate with anyone aslong as they can back up any opinion i just feel this is not such.
Debate is healthy, diving in feet first isnt!icon_biggrin.gif
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| Quote ="Adeybull"As did Wakey, and went bust for the same reason. Although it is still far from certain we would have gone bust had the Intervention not taken place (even if I suspect we would not have liked the alternative very much either). But you are missing the point. The OP made a false statement, and that has been debunked. There are plenty of other, sensible threads for debating sensible matters such as you allude to.
As for Davy, I wonder whether - in the long run - these very wealthy benefactors, who bankroll clubs for millions sometimes every year, are actually doing the sport any good in the long term? We are ending up with a batch of clubs that would go bust immediately if their owners withdrew, that are nowhere near standing on their own. At least Bulls managed throughout the first 16 years of SL to stand on their own, without a mega-rich owner. That is some achievement when set against our contemporaries. The Great Recession was always going to hit hardest those clubs that were having to stand on their own.'"
Yep Trin certainly went bust due to spending too much (though god knows how with the squad we had) on team and backroom(i suspect the backroomicon_wink.gif). there was also incredible mismanagement i mean 2 years ago try to get a season ticket deal or shirt and you may as well have tried voodoo to become a foot taller.
There are no sensible threads this site probs needs a probation system!
You are right the OP was wrong i should start my own threads instead or only look at ones started by the known semi sensible, you know who you are, you are few and far between though as lets face it your on an internet forum at 10:15pm on a Thursday.
All power to the wealthy who want to pump money in to RL i think they are all mad and god loves a madman.
Well done on those 1st 16 years by the way, you built a great squad and great fan base that would pay for yourselves.
RL needs the bulls as we also need a strong metropolitan Wakefield and Lancashire to that we can pump resources to the extremities and grow.
Lets learn from the past even if it's started by trolls
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| Quote ="Him"Which is why I put a little question mark at the end, as it was asking you something. As you seemed to be sympathising with the idiotic OP.'"
i do have sympathy with them. This whole thing is like trying to decipher cuneiform. They were wrong to ask for a greater points reduction (although i have memory of sl saying the points reduction would be doubled after trin and crusaders last year) but i think the spirit of them asking why bulls can spend so much over what they can aford with only a 6 point reduction has a lot of resonance with a lot of people in and out of RL.
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| Quote ="mat"The 50% rule was abolished years ago.'"
That's fair enough mat.
Wasn't sure myself. Bottom line is if the salary cap has been broken it will come out in the wash as it will with any other team in SL.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"That's fair enough mat.
Wasn't sure myself. Bottom line is if the salary cap has been broken it will come out in the wash as it will with any other team in SL.'"
Salary cap hasn't been broken. Iirc we are either 10% or 100k under salary cap to allow for an emergency mid season signing.
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| Quote ="mat"Salary cap hasn't been broken. Iirc we are either 10% or 100k under salary cap to allow for an emergency mid season signing.'"
Thought PH said the late signings of Joseph and KP took us near enough up to the cap?
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Thought PH said the late signings of Joseph and KP took us near enough up to the cap?'"
He clarified it in one of the articles around easter time. Guess his definition of close to the cap and ours are maybe a little different.
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| Quote ="Trojan Horse"That's fair enough mat.
Wasn't sure myself. Bottom line is if the salary cap has been broken it will come out in the wash as it will with any other team in SL.'"
What happened to the 'running' cap, whereby all signings are checked by the RFL before being ratified? If this is still current, it's (presumably) not possible to go over the cap.
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| How on earth can BRADFORD BULLS have breached the salary cap?
The RFL have been paying the salaries for most of the season.
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| Quote ="Fax Machine"How on earth can BRADFORD BULLS have breached the salary cap?
The RFL have been paying the salaries for most of the season.'"
2/10
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"My girlfriend is my hobby'"
Pussy wipped then that explains a lot.
I completely understand why your only outlet is trolling then.
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| A great trolling effort has got us to 5 pages. Going over all the same ground.
Note to fans of other clubs: Why are you on here? If you have a problem with the RFL decision take it up with them. If it's with SLE, take it up with the other clubs. Is it really surprising that Bulls fans want to see their side continue in SL? Wouldn't you be the same if the roles were reversed?
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Pussy wipped then that explains a lot.
I completely understand why your only outlet is trolling then.'"
Whipped mate, whipped!
If he was pussy wipped he might be in a better mood...
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Whipped mate, whipped!
If he was pussy wipped he might be in a better mood...'"
I do apologise for bringing the board into disrepute with this filth.
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