And yet in his last season with us, when he was still 19, he scored as many tries as Lesley did. 17 from 21 games in 2006, bizarre.

Indeed. Can't believe the stink KP recieves from many Bulls fans, his strike rate was awesome.

Mmhmm, at least somebody's starting to agree with me.

I expect there's a germ of truth on both sides. The fact is, he didn't [ilook[/i to be going for it a lot of the time he was with us, and ended up losing his spot because of it.

I read a comment somewhere that a coach would look at him training, and every one would think, ""If I can't make something out of that raw material, I can't coach". I can see the point, and what's more, Nobby - who is as shrewd as they come - clearly thinks so.

I thought Karl had a fine game on Sky last week and so maybe there is a lot more in there if someone can just get it out. Shame he had to leave us, as you don;t get many built and configured like him. His strie rate with us IMHO means he was rather unfairly targeted. Sure he brought some of it on himself but still.

He's like Leon, they both look lazy at times but really they are not, they just wait for the right oppurtunity to turn it on. There's another one that is talked about like that, his name is Darren Lockyer.

Who?

Leon & Karl are like chalk & cheese. From what I've seen of Karl away from the pitch he is a thoroughly likeable, polite young man. On the pitch he is largely spineless I'm afraid. Leon has always been the opposite, too much in some cases. Unfortunately for GB, I've never had the slightest inclination that Lockyer looks lazy.

He had it too easy at junior level when his size made him almost unplayable. I remember one game where he did virtually nothing all match, seemed to spend most of his time sauntering about on the wing. Contributed little to the team, performance ...except for the three times when he received the ball one on one against a much smaller centre who he easily brushed aside to score a hat trick. His physique is still a huge advantage but its not so easy against the bigger boys.

Why would you think someone of Noble's experience - and with prior first hand knowledge of the player - would sign a "largely spineless" player, and put him in Wigan's first team, just out of interest? There would have to be a reason?

Because Pryce is 6'6", 18 stone & can run like the wind. There's 3.

Is that the same Noble that has signed McAvoy several times.

Point well made. Nathan "useless pretty boy" McAvoy.

Except the chip over Harris in Scotland

Very good, but you're supposed to be arguing [iagainst[/i

Oh go on, then, let's have a "knock McAvoy" session



So if I read you right, your logic is that if Noble would sign someone who is a crap as you think McAvoy is, this explains why he would sign someone as crap as you think Karl is. Basically?

McAvoy's perhaps lazy style upset a lot of people, but he was a classy player and did fine for us without claiming he was great. he certainly did a job. In his first spell with us he socred I think over 50 tries in less than 100 games. Didn't score much in his second spell as I recall but I thought overall did a decent enough job for what we signed him for. He was a member of the teams that won a Challenge Cup and a Grand Final for us. And yes, there was "that" legendary chip.



Shame if people want to knock ANY player out of that squad, really.

I don't think he deserves to be maligned, and deffo not used as the proof that Noble signed crap players, he ceratinly is no example of that. in fact, the record would seem to prove that he did the jobs Noble signed him to do each time.

Was it Tony Smith who signed him for Leeds at the back end of his career before Noble picked him up for the pies? Is Smith a poor judge too?

Must be

Fair enough, Smith's a useless mug.

Can I quote that fact on the various "how I wish we had as brilliant a coach as Smith to transform our team like Warrington" threads?

Noble didn't sign McAvoy first time around, it was Matthew Elliott. We paid £140,000 IIRC.

But if he was any sort of a judge Nobby would have drummed McAvoy out of the ground at the first opportunity though.

Plus this proves Elliott was a crap judge too, I reckon.

It was in June 1998.

Everybody's allowed one mistake. How many times did Elliott and Smith sign him? Just once.

Everybody's allowed one mistake. How many times did Elliott and Smith sign him? Just once.

Oh the irony.

Have I started a "What have the Romans ever done for us" thread?

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