If, as a fan of another club, I come on the Bradford board to criticise or make fun, then I expect some flak back. As long as it does not get personal then I'm not fussed. For every opinion there is always an opposite and I'm quite prepared to voice mine even if others don't agree.

Lets keep on topic please. I don't want this to degenerate as this board has been rather good lately.

Im very happy with this signing, but I wouldn't expect too much too soon. If I were Potter I'd put Briggs in the reserves for a while until his conditioning has stepped up to superleague level and he gets used to our systems. I also look forward to seeing what he can do but I think we need to ease him in, not throw him in the deep end.

What reserves its super league or U20's and whats the point in him playing U20's.

He's got time to get SL fitness before we kick off in Cardiff. He won't have been sat on his backside doing nothing since last season.

U20's/reserves, same thing with different eligibility rules, you know what i mean. Last week he was part time and working and expecting to play championship level, he needs to get up to speed, I'm not suggesting keeping him in the reserves for half the season but he's not the biggest physically and if we start him at 6 in Cardiff against Leeds I suspect Leeds will target him and we'll expect too much from him and I see no point in throwing him in the deep end like that and risk havign his confidence smacked out of him striaght away. So a few games in the U20's whilst he learns our systems and gets used to full time is no problem IMHO.

Briggs is good enough to start at number 6. This kid will shine for us

So not McGuire then..

Don't be silly.

A fit McGuire would walk into our side and improve it greatly.

Your honesty is appreciated

I wonder if McGuire still has a death wish on him for pulling an opposing player's shirt?

never really rated maguire but hes improved no end and was exceptional last year.

Ask phil Clarke? By clarkes warped logic both tomkin bros should be looking at lengthy layoffs soon. Dirty barstewards!

No Bull (pardon the pun) Kyle will do well in SL and most Fev fans, whilst disappointed to lose him realise that to attract top quality young players to our club we have to release them if a SL club comes in for them, especially if we can get a decent fee.
2 players, Kyle and Zac have moved onwards and upwards so where do you think young players will look to develop the skills at a decent level? This can only benefit my club even though in the short term we have lost one of our best players.
I am sure by the end of the season you will look back and say that he was worth the money regardless of the fee.

I couldn't agree more it helps Fev financially as well as younger ones realising that Fev is good for building your skilss etc.

Common sense really. You would think after a few seasons of the worst halfback pairings in the league at Odsal then people could appreciate the talents of McGuire. Petty narrow minded anti-Leeds bias at its best. There is no other logical reason.

I'm kinda inclined to agree with Duckman

He's signed when the Bulls have pretty much gone through pre-season - although thankfully I believe he has gone on the warm weather training camp - so he's going to be behind the rest in terms of fitness and conditioning. That's no disrespect to the lad, just a recognition that a part-time Championship levels of fitness are way short of Super League. I'm sure he can 'catch up' but can he do it before Millennium Weekend.

I guess I'll trust Mick Potter and his team to be able to assess that. And, after all, its not as if we don't have options for the start of the season. Kearney at 6 with Royston at Full Back is pretty decent IMO

Again appreciated. Especlly after I said I thought Briggs was good but lacked pace. Which didn't go down too well. it would have been easy for you to jump on that like other bulls did. I hope the kid does well!

It looks like i'm going to be agreeing with a lot of stuff you say.

McGuire's talents are limited to being a decent support player. In terms of actually being a creative pivot he's never struck me as being able to take charge of a game. Now, that may be down to short comings in his ability or the fact that he's had players like Sinfield, Diskin and Burrows taking the hard work.

I doubt that he could do the job of say a Briers at Wire or a player of that ilk.

You couldnt be more wrong if you tried. Maybe 8-10 years ago. But McGuire is our most creative pivot before Webb sinfield burrow and buderus. McGuire is a maker and a provider of trys he's up there in the top of the sl try assists with sl 6's as well as been as good a finisher in the game. some teams have one or 2 pivots maybe 3, Leeds have 4 or 5 and his number of assists are more impressive by this fact and say he is far more than a poacher. Which is obvious to anyone who watches him week in week out.

I'd give him a couple of games in reserves purely to give him time to learn our plays without the added pressure of being in spotlight against leeds and wigan. Dont agree that he needs time to get his fitness upto superleague levels as I'd say championship first team is already a higher level than our u20's otherwise why do we send our better u20's out on loan to championship teams. IF he fits in well in friendlies then obviously throw him in at cardiff, but we've a lot off new players to integrate already and kearney and herbert have a month or two advantage over kyle in terms of getting a combination going.

Let's not turn this thread into another 'is Danny McGuire a World Class stand off' again.

McGuire if fit would walk into our side and probably most in the league.

A few years ago he was mainly a support player but from what i've seen the last couple of seasons he has a lot more to his game now.