Potter's team spending full salary cap in RL heartland in own stadium and seemingly no cash worries. Well-established team.

McDermott's team clealry not spending full salary cap, miles from RLO heartland (loads of travel etc), not in own stadium and losing millions a year. And having set up a big junior development programme pretty well from scratch. team will always be transient because of location.

Aye, no comparison!

I agree that McDermott has a tougher job, but we don't know that he would do any better for a club with better funds, support etc.

Mick Potter may have a tougher job if he comes to Odsal, but he has a good record on the pitch, and he's done great with the youngsters at Saints. If he can guide a Catalans team (that imo wasn't as good as the team we have now) to the CC then he can do well with us.

Adey, you can't keep turning to the issues of finances for everything. Mick Potter is a better coach than Brian or Steve Mac, that's clearly very evident.

The ability to coach and motivate a bunch of players doesn't cost a penny and Mick Potter is very good at it.

I still have my fingers crossed for a Mick Potter U-turn. Whilst a popular appointment might not attract new fans in itself, it may well just convince a few current ones to give the Bulls another chance in 2011. The crowd figures this year must be a pretty big worry for everyone at the club.

Given the fact that our quota would appear to be full for next year (if Beaver re-signs) then the coach might well be the biggest signing we make. It is difficult to see much in the way of high profile signings coming in to sell a few membership cards.

Unfortunately they won't go away though Mick - pretty well everything is influenced by them. As are most things in life generally.

Leaving aside who is the best coach - although by all objective standards Potter has had far more experience than the others, so you would expect him to be the standout? - remember also that, just as with players, you pay more for more ability. So its that F word again...

If the ability to coach and motivate a bunch of players doesn't cost a penny, why do clubs pay their coaching staff? Come on! And why do the clubs with more money tend to get the perceived "better" coaches? The better you are at something, the more you expect to get for it?

I bet Potter would cost more than either Mac? He'd be my first choice if it was fundable and the guy wanted it, and I'd have gone for him ahead of anyone from the ARL, since we surely need someone who knows the SL and local environment, and something of the club. If we go for a British coach, for whatever reason, then the only one I would be happy with would be Brian Mac. Said that right from the start.

IF finances are everything and there really is no possibility of inward investment (as seems to be the case), the club are doing an excellent job of showing us that it is preparing for life in the CIS Championship. There is no meaningful backroom staff to support the Head Coach, no aparent aspirations other than to retract and now little ambition in seemingly attracting the "best" but rather the "affordable".

I'm quite looking forward to playing Fev, Keighley, Batley and Dewsbury and possiblt Halifax if they don't get our franchise.

And your answer is?

To attract "the best" you need the funds.

Buggered if I know the answer. Do you?

And no, for the avoidance of doubt I am most definitely NOT happy with the current situation the club finds itself in. And neither, I am sure, are the board or officials. And I most definitely do NOT want to see more of the same (or worse). If I did, I would not be bothered with being at the Bullbuilder committee meeting tomorrow night - a tiny tiny contribution, but at least one in my power to make.

No.

I wasn't exactly asking a question, but if there was one implied, I suppose it was prospecting for a backer / buyer. However I do realise the likliehood (or not) of this when you look at the number of Football League sides touting themselves for buyers at the moment. Many with far better prognoses than an ailing Rugby League outfit.

Not often I stick my head above the parapet, I know, but feel free to fire away.

Noble?

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Doesn't make for good reading if Brian Mac is our new coach.

After all, they're the ones who've watched his team play the most.

Not firing...really wish we could come up with something!!

Anyone on first name terms with Uncle Ken...?



I got involved with setting up Bullbuilder because it was one way maybe the fans could make a difference. Maybe there are other initiatives that people can follow - and that maybe the club will choose to listen to - that can make a difference. We keep seeing people on here suggesting there are skill sets and volunteers out here which might be a big help to the club. If that is indeed the case...and if such people are prepared to put in the hard yards and not be there just for the glory, then that has always seemed to me to be an avenue the club should seriously consider pursuing.

The risk is that you often get loads of initial volunteers, but all too often few who stay the course once the hard work, the ongoing graft out of the limelight needs doing. Anyone who has ever served on a voluntary or charitable board or committee - will know all too well what I mean!

No way.

Caoching ability aside, the club got into the present predicament on his and Caisley's watch, and much of the current pain is because they spent much more than they earned and did not invest in the future.

I remain to be convinced that Nobby's formidable skill-set would be suited to a situation of tight finances and no extra antipodeans.

No they wont, but not pretty much everything is influenced by them IMO. A man's influence on another man(in this case coach to player) is his knowledge, respect, etc and ability to communicate things in a way that people take things that they say and do on board are things that are free.

Of course he's the stand out, he's a better coach and the influence he's had on his teams and players are what makes him stand out, not the fact that he's had more of a budget IMO.

I don't think Potter would cost more than Steve Mac and I don't think SM is as badly paid as some like to think, he was a relative unknown when he came to Catalans, all he was previously was an assistant, but he's proven himself to astute in managing his players and getting them to play how he wants.

What I'm saying or trying to say Adey is finances are not the be all and end all on how a coach performs, I think you seem to think that everything a coach does is influenced by his budget, when IMO it couldn't be further away from the truth.

You often relay plenty of common sense on a forum bereft of it. But not on this occassion.

You are comparing butter with cheese.

Proven, world class players in one team with juniors signed up long before the arrival of the head coach.

Average Joes in the other with juniors progressed by the head coach through the ranks to a level where they are wanted by others.

No comparison.

I've seen few candid arguments on here to illustrate why Brian Man wouldn't be a salient option. The opinions of Quins fans isn't really a consideration given their financial constraints and ethos of the club at this present time.

Can see the point from both sides here. The finance argument pops up a little too much at times - we are all aware of the constraints.

The ability to coach, create a game plan and motivate players is all we want, something we have being lacking. This does not cost additional money.

No disrespect meant to the players, but even they must be questioning what is going on at times. How can they give 100% in training and game time?

Also to Mr Hood, if you issue a statement saying you hope to have a coach named by the end of June, when it gets to the first week in July issue another statement letting people know the status. There is no wonder the fans get frustrated.

Mick, of course they are not the be all and end all. You will always get coaches, players, leaders...who perform well above their perceived level. We have seen that lots of time in RL. Hell, we have seen it on the park this year with some of our own youngsters!

The trouble is, once one of the over-achievers falls under the public gaze, then every man and his dog wants them. And the cost goes up. Just a bit.

Remember Macca had the opportunity to take on a head coach job for the first time, relatively untried and untested (and OK, cue for those saying and look what happened...). Potter has already been head coach at two SLclubs, as well as having served a long apprenticeship as assistant including under Elliott. You reckon Macca costs more than Potter would? Especially as he indicated he wants back to Oz - eventually if not now - so the weak Sterling has a very big bearing.

I fully agree and accept that a very good coach should get a better performance out of a given set of players (where does Capello fit in...?). Same applies to any leader of men. If you can afford a very good coach, then that is IMO likely to be a better investment than in another marquee player (for example). I hope the coach we appoint is indeed a very good coach. But equally, you also need to find a very good coach who is prepared to work with considerably less funding than if he went to certain other clubs, which means there is a lot more resting on his coaching ability. If you were a coach, would you go for the less-fashionable club with resource constraints ahead of say a n NRL role or a role at at monied club in SL? If you had achieved everything and were now in it just for the challenge then maybe; but coaches have families to feed same as everyone else.

And I'll say it again - you want a better coach, you have to pay better money. Its called the law of supply and demand, page 1 of an economics texbook. RL is not exempt from that universal law.

Which is why I am yet unmoved regarding the significance of financial resources in the equation.

Its like waiting for the wife to give birth is this decision re our new coach!!!

Nobody actually knows what you are having but everyone claims to know!!

Bit harsh... They are in a worse situation than us. No crowds, no money, injuries. Yet every now and again when he has the team together they can go and get wonder results. Some good kids come through down there, Kids that have not being playing the game long unlike some of our northern juniors who have being playing since 5 / 6 years old.

Either will do me. A new start for the club and hopefully a lift for everyone including the fans. A good positive start will soon have the missing fans coming back.

Please take McDermott away from London-He is without doubt the worse coach we have had in 15 years Ive been watching-Accepting he hasn't got the raft of Aussies others have had.

He makes bizarre decisions such as only using 3 players of the bench, never sticking with a set team, playing Randal at 7 and Orr 9, Going from boring kick dead on the 5th rugby to throwing it about without forwards setting the platform.

As a coach I find him to be unintelligent-He doesnt appear to be able to change what he sees in front of him if its going wrong.

No I would be happy to see him leave Quins-His win record is appalling-He hangs his hat on tough defence- see our scores against Wire, Leeds........ 50+ points!!!!!

One bonus is he doesnt like fat players- so anyone carrying weight better be prepared as Haggerty found out

Adey, I expect Potter would be the more expensive option but I can't see his demands being that far out of our reach. Perhaps McNamara's wage and Worrincy off the budget would just about cover it?



Also I understand McDermott is still under contract, so is he really the cheap option?

Just like Steve Mc then

I for one am praying its Potter

That does seem unerringly familiar.

It does, but I bet there are Saints fans who don't like Potter.
Anyone who can take Quins and win at places such as Wigan and Saints must have something about him. Look at what he is working with down there - if he leaves they will be bottom next year.

We won at Saints last season.

Salford won at Saints a couple of years ago IIRC, would you let McRae anywhere near the Bulls job?

For the first time Ewwen I agree. Please just sort it or inform us Hood!