He was already going downhill before he left. He had that one superb game in the World Club Challenge and then had a poor half season before going off to Wigan.

I know, but some players have a bad season then come back all guns blazing the next. I just can't believe that he went from the best prop in the world to what he is now.

There's a number of former Bulls that are good solid players:

Stuart Reardon
Chris Bridge
Richard Moore
Andy Smith
Robert Parker
Karl Pryce
Robbie Paul (Technically an academy product)

The ones I mentioned were in addition to Calderwood, Walker, McGuire, Burrow, Bailey, Diskin, Jones Buchanan, Hall, Smith and Sinfield. Add to that the SL regulars like Mathers, Watkins, Scruton, Burgess and Ablett mentioned by Bullseye. You have merely reproduced the same list. I make that 25 Leeds products.
Who are these Andy Smith & Karl Pryce to who you refer?

Ryan Atkins
Brett Ferres
Chris Bridge
Stuart Fielden
Stuart Reardon
Paul Sykes
Karl Pryce
Leon Pryce
Robbie Paul
Robert Parker
Jamie Peacock
Andy Smith
Richard Moore
Jamie Langley
Sam Burgess
Matt James
Matt Cook
Craig Kopzcak
Dave Halley
Jason Crookes
Paul Deacon


Not that far behind really mate?

Plus one of our players is now the England captain so that's worth 2

Good solid player and Karl Pryce don't go together I'm afraid. His heart ain't in it, he just doesn't carry his weight.

It was till he went to the dark side.

No, it wasn't. Never impressed at the Bulls, just didn't look interested for the majority of his time here.

I always thought he looked to have good potential and agve a lot of effort in some appearances.

Fair enough, I'll agree with you about the potential, especially given his size, enormous unit for a three-quarter.

He just didn't want it enough at the Bulls the way I saw it.

Fair comment I suppose. Wigan obviously see the potential aswell.

If you're being silly there's Morley & Fozzard, younger (& better looking) than Robbie.

You must have been watching a different KP.

He was Lazy and didn't look at all interested when he was here.

And yet in his last season with us, when he was still 19, he scored as many tries as Lesley did. 17 from 21 games in 2006, bizarre.

Indeed. Can't believe the stink KP recieves from many Bulls fans, his strike rate was awesome.

Mmhmm, at least somebody's starting to agree with me.

I expect there's a germ of truth on both sides. The fact is, he didn't [ilook[/i to be going for it a lot of the time he was with us, and ended up losing his spot because of it.

I read a comment somewhere that a coach would look at him training, and every one would think, ""If I can't make something out of that raw material, I can't coach". I can see the point, and what's more, Nobby - who is as shrewd as they come - clearly thinks so.

I thought Karl had a fine game on Sky last week and so maybe there is a lot more in there if someone can just get it out. Shame he had to leave us, as you don;t get many built and configured like him. His strie rate with us IMHO means he was rather unfairly targeted. Sure he brought some of it on himself but still.

He's like Leon, they both look lazy at times but really they are not, they just wait for the right oppurtunity to turn it on. There's another one that is talked about like that, his name is Darren Lockyer.

Who?

Leon & Karl are like chalk & cheese. From what I've seen of Karl away from the pitch he is a thoroughly likeable, polite young man. On the pitch he is largely spineless I'm afraid. Leon has always been the opposite, too much in some cases. Unfortunately for GB, I've never had the slightest inclination that Lockyer looks lazy.

He had it too easy at junior level when his size made him almost unplayable. I remember one game where he did virtually nothing all match, seemed to spend most of his time sauntering about on the wing. Contributed little to the team, performance ...except for the three times when he received the ball one on one against a much smaller centre who he easily brushed aside to score a hat trick. His physique is still a huge advantage but its not so easy against the bigger boys.

Why would you think someone of Noble's experience - and with prior first hand knowledge of the player - would sign a "largely spineless" player, and put him in Wigan's first team, just out of interest? There would have to be a reason?

Because Pryce is 6'6", 18 stone & can run like the wind. There's 3.

Is that the same Noble that has signed McAvoy several times.

Point well made. Nathan "useless pretty boy" McAvoy.

Except the chip over Harris in Scotland