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| All those years of hard work by people lost in a day.
Don't you think it's strange that it's been announced at this time?
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| Quote ="Nothus"I might be making this up, but if SL doesn't have some representation from the south - or perhaps just a wider geographical spread than just the M62 corridor - then would the sport not lose some of its central funding? I forget the name of the funding, is it Sport England?
Anyway, if I've not just made that up then London dropping out of top flight could damage the entire sport.'"
I'm not suggesting that's not the case but I can't see how that's allowed.
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| Quote ="Nothus"I might be making this up, but if SL doesn't have some representation from the south - or perhaps just a wider geographical spread than just the M62 corridor - then would the sport not lose some of its central funding? I forget the name of the funding, is it Sport England?
Anyway, if I've not just made that up then London dropping out of top flight could damage the entire sport.'"
It wouldn't surprise me. On the other hand isnt that sort of funding for development of sport, so you would have thought that it would be not just the top level but the whole structure of the sport concerned that was taken into account.
And it is development of grassroot RL in London that would eventually lead to a viable London team, hopefully the academy players will find a London club and not be lost.
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| Not a good day for Rugby Football League. Feel desperately sorry for the supporters, having been through the mire ourselves. Same for Sheffield supporters, who have also seen a very tough time. Think part of the problem is that Clubs need to have a proper home which is accessible to ordinary supporters. You cannot start a good structure when everyone is on the move all the time. Hope something can be sorted. Think the RFL need to get their house in order also
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| I sincerely hope the Broncos can survive this; too much effort and dedication has gone into the club over 30 odd years to just let it wither and die.
Being parochial, it would also give our enemies another 'stone' to hurl in our direction, not to mention what was said previously about the possible loss of at least some of our Sport England funding. These are dark hours for rugby league.
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| Quote ="LeagueLad"I used to be an academy player at the Bronco's (when they were Harlequins) and they have a good youth set up.. One player in particular is a lad called Oscar Thomas. They rate him very highly down there, so will be interesting to see how he gets on. Along with Ant Cox, Dollapi, Caton-Brown, Dixon, Bishay, Woodburn-Hall.. But I hope they do manage to find new clubs, as they really do love the game.'"
Oscar Thomas is playing union for London Irish.
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| What a mess. I feel for their fans.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I wish the Broncos all the very best in what will be a very unpleasant time for their fans. Surely it is now time to let them drop out of SL to rebuild on firmer foundations and laid down some proper roots?
Re any share of tv money I seem to recall we gave up 1 years (2013) but split over 2 years so I would assume we would be eligible for a share. I would rather hope that the clubs would vote to use this money on something more deserving than simply lining their own pockets this time around though.. if it comes to that.'"
The money we were denied is half of the yearly compensation of £1.2 million per year, for 2 years (ie 13 and 14) with the £600k approx being shared out to the other 13 clubs each year. So if London do go belly up, and I sincerely hope they don't!
The interesting question will be if another ex championship club took their quota, would our £600 be restored or would this new club get a full share, leaving us still with a half share?
Don't hold your breath folks!!!
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| I rarely comment on RL message boards and really hope the London Broncos survive. However after tumoil at the Bulls and the punishment of -6pts, no sky money, SL status threatened and previous lenient punishments of Wakefield and Crusaders just getting -4pts deduction, the RFL need to continue with consistency and punish the Broncos the same as the Bulls to recoup some credibility. I'll hold my breath as I think special treatment will be given which is wrong. One rule for all not for the few, when the Bulls are relying on slim revenue streams, I do question where all the money is going at other clubs when they get sky money and Bulls sky money? This is a shame when we're having such a good RLWC.
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| Quote ="Rarebreed"The money we were denied is half of the yearly compensation of £1.2 million per year, for 2 years (ie 13 and 14) with the £600k approx being shared out to the other 13 clubs each year. So if London do go belly up, and I sincerely hope they don't!
The interesting question will be if another ex championship club took their quota, would our £600 be restored or would this new club get a full share, leaving us still with a half share?
Don't hold your breath folks!!!'"
There's no reason that what's going on at London should affect our losing half sky money next year. That was agreement OK made to keep SL status. If London continue in some form then they should get same punishment with money shared between other clubs, us included. If another club takes their place they should get full sky money. Although RFL have never come out and stated it the sky money deduction is to stop clubs using admin to wipe debts out with no comeback. I think Blake solly actually said in an interview that any club entering admin between now and restructure at end of next year would automatically not be eligible for SL1 .Hence why wakefield didn't go down that route this year, despite glover setting up a new holding company in preparation for doing exactly that. Be interesting to see if that is applied to London if they do actually enter admin.
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| Whilst I was not trying to create debate around the situation London are in, I sincerely hope they do survive for the good of the game. I wanted to point out that young players had been released and were at present without a club, with no certainty that London would survive. I note Mike Bishay has confirmed he is leaving.
On topic of London and Sky money - I do not care about the sky money hypothetical debate we need the presence and I think the RFL should take control fully and sort out the mess. we need the presence and we could do with an NRL link up to send juniors similiar to what they used to do and poach a few union players to drum up some interest. I dont know the ins and outs but merely pointing to a different strategy and funding process with them. The franchise system rather than P and R would have suited this better but it is what it is...
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| C.E.O of Featherstone just tweeted destination superleague , wasn't just a dream
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| Quote ="Noah100"C.E.O of Featherstone just tweeted destination superleague , wasn't just a dream'"
If they go in now, at this late stage and without any time to prepare it may well be a nightmare rather than a dream, I'm afraid.
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| Unless they are offered dispensation??
That would be an awful situation for clubs - 2 Relegate, not including FEV and no London.
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| Quote ="daveyz999"Unless they are offered dispensation??
That would be an awful situation for clubs - 2 Relegate, not including FEV and no London.'"
Not sure I'd entirely agree with that.
These clubs wanted P&R, and being relegated is a part of that. The whole idea of giving clubs time to 'acclimatise' is part of the licensing system and as such anathema to the 'flatcappers', surely?
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| I agree, would be an awful proposition, but the rfl are making the decisions...
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| Nothing would surprise me as far as the RFL are concerned. I agree it would be madness to make any club void of relegation because they will 'struggle'. The two teams at the bottom of the league ladder at the end of the season should be relegated, as they have accumulated the least amount of points. It is unfair for a team who finish 12th to be relegated. It should be a level playing field, apart from Bradford of course, who are only entitled to half the sky money.
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| Fev seem to be downplaying the possibility of them being in SL on Radio Leeds, saying they feel that if London drop out SL will go with 13 reducing to 12 at the end of the 2014 season.
Or who knows...
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| Quote ="Bulliac"Fev seem to be downplaying the possibility of them being in SL on Radio Leeds, saying they feel that if London drop out SL will go with 13 reducing to 12 at the end of the 2014 season.
Or who knows...'"
A 13 team SL will make magic weekend interesting.
Have London officially gone into admins then?
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| Not to my knowledge. Though, when the expectation is being talked about almost as a fait accompli by club officials on the radio, it seems more and more likely.
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| 2points.
When we were in admin last year, the Rfl (or was it SLE?) did put in a bid to run Bradford directly. So it is something that has been considered before.
Second, am I the only one who is irritated by the general perception that the RFL gave us special treatment & pots of cash? When in reality they prolonged the pain, allowed bigger debts to build up (so that a bigger share of sky money would be deducted) and took our only asset as compensation (making them a preferred creditor effectively).
So London, beware of the Rfl bearing gifts....
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| I think it was pretty well acknowledged [though clearly that doesn't make it automatically true that the RFL/SL were only trying to 'flush out' some genuine investors [as distinct from the ones we all assumed to be floating around in the background and orchestrating events and never had any real intention of running the club.
To be honest, it isn't really possible for the governing body to run a club - too much 'stuff' to get in the way, but the tactic - if they feel there are other people in the wings - may be worthwhile. That said, London don't have the intricate backstabbing shenanigans going on in the background as we did, so conditions aren't really the same.
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| SLE only interest was making sure we fulfilled our remaining fixtures as it would have been a right pain in the backside for them if we hadn't. Once the end of season came we would have been dropped like a stone.
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| Quote ="redeverready"SLE only interest was making sure we fulfilled our remaining fixtures as it would have been a right pain in the backside for them if we hadn't. Once the end of season came we would have been dropped like a stone.'"
Oh yes, I'm quite sure that was in their minds, though you can't "just drop something you've bought and paid for, which would have been the situation if they'd gone ahead with their plan. In any case getting the early release of TV monies pretty much guaranteed we'd last out the season.
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| Warrington have taken on Phil Jones the Broncos head of youth for 15 years. Very clever move.
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