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| There have been so many missed opportunities, bad decisions and bad luck.
We had the chance to move in at Park Avenue which would’ve got us a ground almost exactly like Headingley with county cricket on one side and RL and football on the other. Jack Bates turned down the opportunity. I think that was a bad decision. Odsal had already had many false dawns in terms of regeneration at that point. To stay put has effectively handicapped the club ever since.
The failure of the 2002 development of Odsal due to the intervention of the bloody government and supermarkets protecting their interests was the final nail in the coffin for Odsal. It also signalled the end of the Council propping up the ground and the club. After 2003 we had to shoulder the upkeep and that has bled the club white since. Perhaps we should’ve stayed at VP? I know many fans didn’t like it (myself included) but maybe if the club had explained why Odsal was no longer suitable we could’ve got used to the idea. I campaigned to get back to Odsal. I don’t mind admitting I was wrong. Had we stayed I think we’d have been better off than we are now.
Add to that the decision to sign Iestyn Harris which led to us alienating Jamie Peacock and incurring a massive legal bill, appointing Steve McNamara too early and on too long a contract and you have the perfect ingredients for meltdown on the pitch too. The brief rebirth under Omar Khan was doomed from the start due to the huge financial handicap put on him and his own inability to run a business. Same applies to Green.
If anyone takes on the club they ought to know by now it will cost them a fortune to run while it remains at Odsal in its undeveloped state. The chances of Odsal getting developed are slim to nought. The Council isn’t going to do any deal that looks like it’s helping a professional sports club in the current climate unless someone else pays for it which is unlikely. Can you really see the RFL buying the Council out and redeveloping it as a RFL asset? The rest of the game would go crazy as the Bulls would be seen as beneficiaries.
Even if that did happen it would take years and we haven’t got that long. We need a white knight with deep pockets and we need him/her now!
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| Quote ="vbfg"It was the academy that convinced me Green was serious.'"
Totally agree, I think he's had the best interests of the club at heart, if only to try and protect his cash, but was out of his depth in running a b2c business and didn't have deep enough pockets to plough cash in a la Mr. Beaumont to try and get to a 'promised land' where he might have been able to sell the club and recover his 'investment'
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Sort of debunks the "RFL have paid everyone" line doesn't it?
TBH I'm not following this with anything like the interest of the previous two meltdowns. Apathy rules. This is a sorry state of affairs. The only thing that really makes me fed up is that the work to get the Academy in such a good place could now all be for nothing.
I hope for the sake of them that it isn't.'"
My thoughts exactly. If we lose most of the professionals who couldn't even get us in the top 4 in a mainly part time league, meh. There's a handful i'd be very disappointed in losing. O'brien, Chisholm, Moss, Clare, Ryan and Sidlow.
We have some of the most exciting juniors in the game (although according to the media only Saints and Leeds develop juniors. Remind me who they have developed in the last 5 years?)
If we lost the juniors that would be a step too far for me. I couldn't bare to see it when we've spent time and money and effort developing our own, and other clubs reaping the benefit of our hard work because of mismanagement. Again
Only hope is that Greens statement last week was very strong and he really went on the attack. He's not one to throw rash statements about like certain other chairman. If he really didn't have the money, then i don''t see why he would have released last weeks statement.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"There have been so many missed opportunities, bad decisions and bad luck.
We had the chance to move in at Park Avenue which would’ve got us a ground almost exactly like Headingley with county cricket on one side and RL and football on the other. Jack Bates turned down the opportunity. I think that was a bad decision. Odsal had already had many false dawns in terms of regeneration at that point. To stay put has effectively handicapped the club ever since.
The failure of the 2002 development of Odsal due to the intervention of the bloody government and supermarkets protecting their interests was the final nail in the coffin for Odsal. It also signalled the end of the Council propping up the ground and the club. After 2003 we had to shoulder the upkeep and that has bled the club white since. Perhaps we should’ve stayed at VP? I know many fans didn’t like it (myself included) but maybe if the club had explained why Odsal was no longer suitable we could’ve got used to the idea. I campaigned to get back to Odsal. I don’t mind admitting I was wrong. Had we stayed I think we’d have been better off than we are now.
Add to that the decision to sign Iestyn Harris which led to us alienating Jamie Peacock and incurring a massive legal bill, appointing Steve McNamara too early and on too long a contract and you have the perfect ingredients for meltdown on the pitch too. The brief rebirth under Omar Khan was doomed from the start due to the huge financial handicap put on him and his own inability to run a business. Same applies to Green.
If anyone takes on the club they ought to know by now it will cost them a fortune to run while it remains at Odsal in its undeveloped state. The chances of Odsal getting developed are slim to nought. The Council isn’t going to do any deal that looks like it’s helping a professional sports club in the current climate unless someone else pays for it which is unlikely. Can you really see the RFL buying the Council out and redeveloping it as a RFL asset? The rest of the game would go crazy as the Bulls would be seen as beneficiaries.
Even if that did happen it would take years and we haven’t got that long. We need a white knight with deep pockets and we need him/her now!'"
I think when we were getting regular crowds of 15,000+, Odsal was my preferred option, but I remember some memorable matches at VP and thought the atmosphere was amongst the best I'd ever seen. I remember the first game in the snow v Saints, the Wigan game where Deacon won it with the last kick, the 2nd game v Saints in 2001, great memories.
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| I remember carrying my niece on my shoulders, ignoring her warnings and cracking her head on something steel.
She's still banging on about it now.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"There have been so many missed opportunities, bad decisions and bad luck.
We had the chance to move in at Park Avenue which would’ve got us a ground almost exactly like Headingley with county cricket on one side and RL and football on the other. Jack Bates turned down the opportunity. I think that was a bad decision. Odsal had already had many false dawns in terms of regeneration at that point. To stay put has effectively handicapped the club ever since.
The failure of the 2002 development of Odsal due to the intervention of the bloody government and supermarkets protecting their interests was the final nail in the coffin for Odsal. It also signalled the end of the Council propping up the ground and the club. After 2003 we had to shoulder the upkeep and that has bled the club white since. Perhaps we should’ve stayed at VP? I know many fans didn’t like it (myself included) but maybe if the club had explained why Odsal was no longer suitable we could’ve got used to the idea. I campaigned to get back to Odsal. I don’t mind admitting I was wrong. Had we stayed I think we’d have been better off than we are now.
Add to that the decision to sign Iestyn Harris which led to us alienating Jamie Peacock and incurring a massive legal bill, appointing Steve McNamara too early and on too long a contract and you have the perfect ingredients for meltdown on the pitch too. The brief rebirth under Omar Khan was doomed from the start due to the huge financial handicap put on him and his own inability to run a business. Same applies to Green.
If anyone takes on the club they ought to know by now it will cost them a fortune to run while it remains at Odsal in its undeveloped state. The chances of Odsal getting developed are slim to nought. The Council isn’t going to do any deal that looks like it’s helping a professional sports club in the current climate unless someone else pays for it which is unlikely. Can you really see the RFL buying the Council out and redeveloping it as a RFL asset? The rest of the game would go crazy as the Bulls would be seen as beneficiaries.
Even if that did happen it would take years and we haven’t got that long. We need a white knight with deep pockets and we need him/her now!'"
Agree with all that.
However the off-field management last year was good enough to get us promoted. Throw in the continued bad luck of Gareth O'brien having probably his best ever game in a Wire shirt so that he and Wire then did a U-turn. Our best player cracking himself against the posts to put himself out for the season in the middle 8s. Throw in the injuries to our 7 & 1. Again if Mullaney, Siejka had been fit all season, it might have been a different story. Our coaches incompetent use of the playing budget and squad. To him finally panicking in the MPG, playing a centre as an interchange hooker, and getting about 10 mins from each interchange.
The decision by the RFL/SL clubs to take away half the SKY money from us and take advantage of a newcomer was sickening. To see them plate it up for themselves? I would have been less aggrieved if that money had have gone on keeping development officers. Not chairman's back pockets.
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| Quote ="vbfg"I remember carrying my niece on my shoulders, ignoring her warnings and cracking her head on something steel.
She's still banging on about it now.'"
Has the solicitors letter arrived yet?
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"I would have been less aggrieved if that money had have gone on keeping development officers. Not chairman's back pockets.'"
Come on, be fair. Some of them used it on the most egregious case of salary cap cheating in the history of said cap.
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| Club shop closed between 1-2. Having a meeting maybe?
Hope things become clear one way or another today.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Club shop closed between 1-2. Having a meeting maybe?
Hope things become clear one way or another today.'"
Wasn't thinking same.
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| Quote ="Bull Mania"Club shop closed between 1-2. Having a meeting maybe?
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Or they've only got one member of staff who's willing to still turn up when they're not being paid, and that person needs a dinner break.
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| Well right about now they're either having a sarni or being told we're going into admin.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Well right about now they're either having a sarni or being told we're going into admin.'"
Really makes you think doesn't it. I've thought long and hard about it, and the only conclusion I can come up with is that it's Ham and Mustard on Tiger Bread.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"Really makes you think doesn't it. I've thought long and hard about it, and the only conclusion I can come up with is that it's Ham and Mustard on Tiger Bread.'"
I hope it's bought in the ground and you're not supporting businesses elsewhere....
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| Quote ="Scarey71"I hope it's bought in the ground and you're not supporting businesses elsewhere....'"
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| Think they'll stay very hungry if they're depending on buying a sarnie in the ground today....
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| The worrying thing for the Bulls (if they do go into Admin) is that the feeling of much of the contributors on these pages is ..... meh.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"The worrying thing for the Bulls (if they do go into Admin) is that the feeling of much of the contributors on these pages is ..... meh.'"
There's only so many times someone can slap you in the face before eventually your cheek goes numb.
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| Quote ="HamsterChops"There's only so many times someone can slap you in the face before eventually your cheek goes numb.'"
And there's the problem . There will be no enthusiasm again for £100 donations as they did the first time. The league give us about £60k a month from funding but our monthly bill is over £200k. if we can't afford July then it is a very long time till March when the games start again - 8 months or about £1.5m to find as we will only get about £25k per month after finishing 5th. These figures are estimates but it does show that we need a lot of cash and no games of any financial quality before next summer.
Apparently there is a meeting today at 1pm for all staff.
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| Anyone read the official history of the club by Nigel Williams? It came out in 1989. It charts the ups and down of Bradford (Northern) from 1863 until 1988/89. The demise of the club in the late 50s up to 1963 makes for familiar reading now. Whether we'll get down to 300 speccies at a game before going pop remains to be seen.
I've often considered writing the history from 1989 onward. Is Nigel Williams still around?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Anyone read the official history of the club by Nigel Williams? It came out in 1989. It charts the ups and down of Bradford (Northern) from 1863 until 1988/89. The demise of the club in the late 50s up to 1963 makes for familiar reading now. Whether we'll get down to 300 speccies at a game before going pop remains to be seen.
I've often considered writing the history from 1989 onward. Is Nigel Williams still around?'"
I haven't read that, but I have also considered writing something about our fall from grace from 2005-now, trying to dig out the who, where and why - maybe giving it a few years "breathing room" so the main players in it all might be more willing to speak. They say everyone has a book in them, if I ever do, it's probably that one.
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| Quote ="amberavenger"I haven't read that, but I have also considered writing something about our fall from grace from 2005-now, trying to dig out the who, where and why - maybe giving it a few years "breathing room" so the main players in it all might be more willing to speak. They say everyone has a book in them, if I ever do, it's probably that one.'"
Make sure you have a good lawyer look over it before publication!
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Make sure you have a good lawyer look over it before publication!'"
I assume Caisley is out of the question?
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Make sure you have a good lawyer look over it before publication!'"
If I ever get that far!
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