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| Quote ="Irish Wire"For McNamara see Paul Cullen.'"
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| Quote ="Visage"icon_confused.gif'"
Sorry mate.
Been there, done it, got the T. shirt.
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| Quote ="Irish Wire"For McNamara see Paul Cullen.'"
No. Cullen was a legend, and actually managed to turn us from relegation fodder into play off conenders.....
McNamara.......well......
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| Quote ="Shaggoth"You can tell we are a firmly finished force now that we are getting genuine sympathy from our rivals.'"
Saints aren't you rivals, Celtic are - join the real world.
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| Quote ="vastman"Saints aren't you rivals, Celtic are - join the real world.'"
You're an idiot, your club has finally got a few wins under it's belt. You'd think you had won the GF. Remind me, what have you won since the start of the SL era?
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| Quote ="Timmy the Koi"No. Cullen was a legend, and actually managed to turn us from relegation fodder into play off conenders.....
McNamara.......well......'" McNamara has been using the reverse strategy.
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| Quote ="Timmy the Koi"No. Cullen was a legend, and actually managed to turn us from relegation fodder into play off conenders.....
McNamara.......well......'"
Cullen was never a legend when he played.
He was never class just a hard stopping centre.
Agreed though he rescued Wire and took us as far as he could.
McNamara has inherited a club used to winning Grand Finals which is the difference.
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| Quote ="bobsmyuncle"I was somewhat dissapointed by the Bulls performance tonight, individually (with some few exceptions), as a team, its motivational preparation , lack of defensive structure and attacking capability.
Rather sweeping critisisms that should, I feel, be acknowledged by the coaches and management, with them offering a detailed explanation of their plan to put them right.
The time for platinuduous excuses has overrun its course.
I did not Boo my club's players and did not leave before the end as IMO that would be counterproductive.
Others felt that they needed to express their opinions in these ways and I can understand that.
Tonight was a sad time for me - a long term ardent supporter of the club that I trully love. But, Its MY club and I'll continue to support it as I have always done. I can offer no rational explanation for this other than perhaps a tribal comfort.
There will be better days and maybe worse days but i'll be watching MY team.'"
I'll agree with all of that.
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| Been thinking about that debacle we had the misfortune to watch earlier (Wire fans will see it slightly differently, of course!).
Think about it:
What have Bulls done so many bloody times this season? As soon as the opposition turn on the pressure and we make a daft mistake and waver, our confidence seems to go and our defence collapses.
How many times have we seen that?
Same tonight. More of the sodding same.
How so?
Well the difference today (and at the Piedome) was that the other lot piled on the pressure right from the off, and we screwed up right from the off. So the collapse came right from the off.
Didn't it?
It wasn't a new or even a worsening problem tonight; it was the same old problem.
Something is badly badly wrong in the players' mindset - can't be any other explanation? And that's something that's down to the coach to rectify. And he has very little time. If any time at all.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Been thinking about that debacle we had the misfortune to watch earlier (Wire fans will see it slightly differently, of course!).
Think about it:
What have Bulls done so many bloody times this season? As soon as the opposition turn on the pressure and we make a daft mistake and waver, our confidence seems to go and our defence collapses.
How many times have we seen that?
Same tonight. More of the sodding same.
How so?
Well the difference today (and at the Piedome) was that the other lot piled on the pressure right from the off, and we screwed up right from the off. So the collapse came right from the off.
Didn't it?
It wasn't a new or even a worsening problem tonight; it was the same old problem.
Something is badly badly wrong in the players' mindset - can't be any other explanation? And that's something that's down to the coach to rectify. And he has very little time. If any time at all.'" And that's why McNamara's comments on Sporting Life are so strange. Is he taking all the fans for idiots because that's the feeling I get.
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| Quote ="redeverready"And that's why McNamara's comments on Sporting Life are so strange. Is he taking all the fans for idiots because that's the feeling I get.'"
Must admit, I found Macca's comments bordering on the delusional tonight.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Must admit, I found Macca's comments bordering on the delusional tonight.'"
There appears to be an underlying statement that he is not prepared to stand down
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Must admit, I found Macca's comments bordering on the delusional tonight.'" TBH i think it's got to the stage where he just doesn't know how to handle press questions and thus is making him self look silly.
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| Quote ="redeverready"TBH i think it's got to the stage where he just doesn't know how to handle press questions and thus is making him self look silly.'"
I'm sorry, It's got to the stage he should walk...
No if's...
no but's....
Just go!
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Been thinking about that debacle we had the misfortune to watch earlier ...
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I can hear the beginnings of a reasoned excuse unfolding. If you weren't so prolific in terms of posts then we wouldn't be able to hear the cogs spinning. Good as it is to hear, knowing that this takes intellectual effort and you're willing to expend the time, ultimately it's futile.
Let's face facts, we promoted an aspirant young British manager, gave him a reasonable time to prove himself (all very creditable), and he was unable to do so. We now face incomprehensible performances, declining crowds and bottom of the table status for the foreseeable future (Celtic excepted). In addition to which we have a millstone of a stadium, no financial backer with any clout and a gloomy economic environment.
In these circumstances we can stick with what we have based on a financial argument (we can't pay him off) and take the risk of a further decline in attendances, sponsors getting the wobbles, further disinterest amongst the paying public of Bradford etc. Or, we can bite the bullet, pay him off and announce a new era for the Bulls, no saying it will work, but at least it gives us time, creates interest, potentially re-engages the paying public etc.
Much as it sounds very noble to have been the stalwart, cheering the team on in the fog laden days of yesteryear as they slowly went bust, my sense of whats happening now, is that we could get there very quickly and that nobility is a value in scarce supply - why not go for broke and make the change now? It's time McNamara went, step aside, or was demoted, please don't waste any more energy struggling to find excuses.
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| Quote ="Ewwenorfolk"Just a bit of info -
Ben Jeffries is third on try assists in the league, can't be bad.
Newton is top of runs from dummy half in the league, good or bad?'"
My mistake then. We must have the makings of a good team.
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| Awesome thread, thanks for the entertainment
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| Quote ="anarkik"
Let's face facts, we promoted an aspirant young British manager, gave him a reasonable time to prove himself (all very creditable), and he was unable to do so. We now face incomprehensible performances, declining crowds and bottom of the table status for the foreseeable future (Celtic excepted). In addition to which we have a millstone of a stadium, no financial backer with any clout and a gloomy economic environment.
In these circumstances we can stick with what we have based on a financial argument (we can't pay him off) and take the risk of a further decline in attendances, sponsors getting the wobbles, further disinterest amongst the paying public of Bradford etc. Or, we can bite the bullet, pay him off and announce a new era for the Bulls, no saying it will work, but at least it gives us time, creates interest, potentially re-engages the paying public etc.
Much as it sounds very noble to have been the stalwart, cheering the team on in the fog laden days of yesteryear as they slowly went bust, my sense of whats happening now, is that we could get there very quickly and that nobility is a value in scarce supply - why not go for broke and make the change now? It's time McNamara went, step aside, or was demoted, please don't waste any more energy struggling to find excuses.'"
Well argued and coherent post and much to which I agree, falling gate and commercial income that are attributable to poor performances will no doubt be considered against the costs of remedial action.
Although any "go for broke" solution is disconcerting.
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| Quote ="rugbyreddog"My mistake then. We must have the makings of a good team.'"
I never said that, just thought people might want to know.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Must admit, I found Macca's comments bordering on the delusional tonight.'"
When Lowes was sacked/demoted, here were his comments after our 48- 22 debacle vs Wakefield..equally delusional... he was sacked 5 days later.
"I thought we made big strides. At the top end of the field we contained them quite well, it was good defensively.
"What let us down a little bit were one or two poor penalties and, even then, in the first half we defended five sets on the line.
"But I'm real positive about what we can do and I still believe in what we can do. We're creating stuff so there's plenty to take out of it. The guys were enthusiastic right to the end and they played their hearts out this week."
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| Disorganised complete and utter shambles.
Quite easily the worst Bulls performance for a very long time I'm afraid. Quite where we go from here.. I'm not too sure.
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| There's no way McNamara will stand down. If he does his coaching career is over. He has no legacy to take to another club. Who the hell would want him? He's systematically presided over the meltdown of a club that three years ago were the reigning Super League and World Club champions.
If you were in his shoes you'd carry on for as long as the club are paying your wages because after that he's fooked. Simples.
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| Quote ="redeverready"TBH i think it's got to the stage where he just doesn't know how to handle press questions and thus is making him self look silly.'"
Oddly enough, he was quick to have his say after the Leeds game last week on Sky but was nowhere to be seen after the game last night.
For too long we have had to endure this disasterous appointment and last night surely has to be the final straw.
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| Nothing more to add, really, only that it seems there doesn't seem to be anybody left to defend McNamara, and so there shouldn't be. The guy has completely lost the plot, and should do the decent thing and walk.
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| I've just woken up. I had a really weird dream. I dreamt that the Bulls put in an imcomprehensibly poor performance against a poor side. They even let this side score nearly sixty points and made them look like world beaters. There was only 8000 odd people in the crowd too.
Awful.
Thank god it was only a dream.
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