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| does this mimis bloke live on a different planet to the rest of us? how has he got the gall to claim we're refusing to speak to him when he went on holiday and refused to discuss orfords contract with us (despite carrying on negotiations with NRL clubs). Think he's blowing smoke regarding us having to start paying 2nd year of awfuls contract.
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| What benefit does it have for us to wait till 30th of november and start paying orford for second year of his deal?
also would he not have to return for us to start paying him?
maybe we will pay off Hall before 30th and then we have enough room for him under quota strengthening our hand?
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| Mimis is a joke. All of this is a joke and needs sorting asap
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| Its all crap anyway. The Bulls financial year ends 31/12 not 301/11 - its the SALARY CAP YEAR that ends 30/11. And financial year ends have no bearing on what he is paid for and second year on contracts or whatever.
Seems to me Mimis is playing hardball to try and get out of the target club - or Pratford - having to pay a release fee. They may think if they can drag it on past 30/11 then Bulls will either have to register Pratford as a salary cap player for 2012 or release him so they do not. the stance the RFL are taking will be crucial if that is the case. If they are supporting Bradford then we may be OK. If not, then we are into the realms of having Pratford costs on our 2012 salary cap, even if he has left us, if it ends up being US that has to pay anything. He and dungheap Mimis might argue that he asked for a release but Bulls made it impossible by imposing terms too onerous, therefore his desire to leave was frustrated and so he accepts he still has to play for us. And then we have to pay him off...
If that's the case, I hope him and Mimis rot in the very darkest depths of hell.
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| i cant see this ending badly. Too much time wasting will AWFUL and then not getting any halves signed up. Sykes at 6 god help us
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Its all crap anyway. The Bulls financial year ends 31/12 not 301/11 - its the SALARY CAP YEAR that ends 30/11. And financial year ends have no bearing on what he is paid for and second year on contracts or whatever.
Seems to me Mimis is playing hardball to try and get out of the target club - or Pratford - having to pay a release fee. They may think if they can drag it on past 30/11 then Bulls will either have to register Pratford as a salary cap player for 2012 or release him so they do not. the stance the RFL are taking will be crucial if that is the case. If they are supporting Bradford then we may be OK. If not, then we are into the realms of having Pratford costs on our 2012 salary cap, even if he has left us, if it ends up being US that has to pay anything. He and dungheap Mimis might argue that he asked for a release but Bulls made it impossible by imposing terms too onerous, therefore his desire to leave was frustrated and so he accepts he still has to play for us. And then we have to pay him off...
If that's the case, I hope him and Mimis rot in the very darkest depths of hell.'"
you would certainloy hope that we've sought, and received clarification, as to how the RFL view the situation. I'd hope that fact we've been allowed to sign herbert, before finalising orford's release, is proof of that.
I'd have thought that absolute worst case would be we just grant orfords requested release, hopefully leaving him without a club or a wage for 2011 (although Im sure someone would find cap space for him).
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Interesting how the Aussies like to negotiate via the media isn't it?'"
It's interesting how the Aussie media never seems to check the facts before running a story too
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| Quote ="Roofaldo"Quote ="Bullseye"Interesting how the Aussies like to negotiate via the media isn't it?'"
It's interesting how the Aussie media never seems to check the facts before running a story too'"
Over here it's called "Sun Journalism" and hey who owns the Sun?
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| Quote ="Blotto"Over here it's called "Sun Journalism" and hey who owns the Sun?'"
Murdoch thinks he does.
I gather he owns a newspaper of that same name, too?
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Murdoch thinks he does.
I gather he owns a newspaper of that same name, too?'"
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| Quote ="Blotto"Over here it's called "Sun Journalism" and hey who owns the Sun?'"
Yeah, I can remember a time when the tabloid press in this country was semi reasonable and actually employed proper journalists. Murdoch was certainly at the heart of everything that turned the British press sour.
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| If we do have to keep (and pay the pill0ck), he should be made to attend every match and act as waterboy, wearing training kit (shorts, not tracky bottoms), and freeze his proverbials off
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| Can't see us having to pay Orford. He's asked for a release. His manager has clearly been offering him round NRL clubs. If he doesn't want to play for Bradford then fine, tear up his contract. But until he, his manager, or an NRL club pays us compensation then we hold his player registration.
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| i saw on twitter that donaldson was to$$er of the week (and had to wear the t-shirt). we should send the shirt out to Orford if he is still technically a Bull.
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| Quote ="phillgee"i saw on twitter that donaldson was to$$er of the week (and had to wear the t-shirt). we should send the shirt out to Orford if he is still technically a Bull.'"
If so, I'd change the "week" bit.
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| regarding the clubs stance with matt orford,i actually think that they could call his agents bluff and actually get some compo from the aussie side that takes him on,or has probably tapped him up in the first place?
as the bulls havn't gone too close to the salary cap limit,surely they could wait until the last minute and hold his registration until his suited club pay up?
if they don't pay up,orford can come back to bradford as they have room under the cap!
everyone knows that orford doesn't want to return and that the bulls don't want him to return
a poker player would win everytime with the hand that the bulls have, but will the man holding the bulls' cards have the nerve to hang on to the death though?
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| Quote ="Jonesy's a Legend"regarding the clubs stance with matt orford,i actually think that they could call his agents bluff and actually get some compo from the aussie side that takes him on,or has probably tapped him up in the first place?
as the bulls havn't gone too close to the salary cap limit,surely they could wait until the last minute and hold his registration until his suited club pay up?
if they don't pay up,orford can come back to bradford as they have room under the cap!
everyone knows that orford doesn't want to return and that the bulls don't want him to return
a poker player would win everytime with the hand that the bulls have, but will the man holding the bulls' cards have the nerve to hang on to the death though?'"
Depends on how you define winning though doesnt it? If by winning you mean just getting compensation then your absolutely right. If you widen the scope to include getting compensation and having sufficient time to use said compensation to strengthen the squad before the season kicks off then it gets more difficult.
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| [url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/rugby_league/3244803/Orford-could-leave-Bulls-for-free.htmlThe Sun[/url completely rehashes the story already reported elsewhere. Quality reporting as always.
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| [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/sport/sportbulls/8685576.Orford_and_Bradford_Bulls_close_to_agreeing_exit_strategy/Orford exit strategy[/url
[i"And, despite claims from the player’s manager George Mimis that he has not been contacted by Bulls officials for three weeks, the two parties are actually believed to be locked in negotiations over the terms of Orford’s departure, with talks reaching a crucial point"
"Canberra Raiders and Parramatta Eels have both shown interest but the Telegraph & Argus understands neither are keen to stump up a fee and have stopped short of making an official approach"[/i
That reads to me as the club responding to the lies by mimis earlier this week in the aussie press. It also mentions switching targets possibly to a 7 if Leon is not available, which might mean we're not getting the cash we hoped for (given that it seems the two clubs interested are only talking to Mimis, not us) which might have temped saints, so my guess is we're looking at some sort of mutual agreement release of the player, with maybe Orford paying out some of his own contract (undisclosed amount no doubt) just so we can get shut of him. He'll then be free to join which ever NRL club pays him the most and we'll look to pick up a 6 or 7 for little or no transfer fee, and maybe only on a 1 year deal whilst we wait for Leon for 2012? Just a guess.
I'm happy the club have clarified a few things though and are clearly working on getting the situation finished.
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| Hmm, let's see. Who should we believe?
Connor Murphy, who in the year he's been doing the job for the T&A has done nothing but shown himself to be completely trustworthy and is known not to report any info without a bloody good source or confirmation?
Or George Mimis, who has done nothing but lie and deceive in recent times to get what he can for his client (which I'm not saying he shouldn't be doing by the way)?
Tough one.
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| [url=http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/nrl/greg-inglis-surgery-as-souths-battle-cap-woes/story-e6frexnr-1225960431960Inglis might be back on the market soon[/url
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Well I doubt we could afford a reputed £300k a year even if he wanted to come.
Looks like he'll be off to union.
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| if we're looking for a seven then surely we're trying to sign eastmond, myler, burrow, brough, robinson....
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