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| Quote ="zakikolo"burgess done nothing FACT
scruton done nothing FACT
decaon (got a baby) done nothing FACT
menzies doin okay but too old FACT
lynch works his as s off for 80 FACT
langly ;........mmmmm ....FACT
sykes... doing well imho
jeffries.....doing well imho
halley...top player.y is stve mc not playing him???
same story different day, change needed, if steve mac had owt about him he would walk.....but cant see that that soooooooooooooo sack him and have done with it'"
Care to share with us why the statements you profess to be "Fact" are indeed fact, not merely opinion?
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Indeed. Sykes is also prone to the odd brain fart too. I would keep Platt at FB because he did ok today and has looked good in the last few games. If we dropped a player after every big mistake we'd never have the same side each week!
One player who surely does need a rest is Deacon, he is adding very little to the side right now. His passing is poor, his general play kicking has been poor even his goal kicking has been inconsistent. But far more worryingly is the ease in which the opposition are running through him. His missed tackles have led directly to 4 tries that I can think of in the last two games. I'd promote Halley to the starting line up too to face Leeds.'"
i agree with what your saying about deacon he does need a rest his defence recently has been tragic, but who ould you replace him with cant really think of anyone, would you promote a youngster? personally i would like to see a number of youngsters promoted, they cannot do any worse than the current rabble.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"i agree with what your saying about deacon he does need a rest his defence recently has been tragic, but who ould you replace him with cant really think of anyone, would you promote a youngster? personally i would like to see a number of youngsters promoted, they cannot do any worse than the current rabble.'"
As I mentioned earlier, I'd move Menzies to 6 and put Jeffries at 7. However I stated that we'd probably need Solomona back if we were to switch a player from the back row.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"i agree with what your saying about deacon he does need a rest his defence recently has been tragic, but who ould you replace him with cant really think of anyone, would you promote a youngster? personally i would like to see a number of youngsters promoted, they cannot do any worse than the current rabble.'" No but you can dent their confiedence to such a level that they never get over it.
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| Quote ="redeverready"No but you can dent their confiedence to such a level that they never get over it.'"
I think we should consider giving a bench spot to one of the younger guys this week though. What is the logic of picking a winger on the bench?
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"As I mentioned earlier, I'd move Menzies to 6 and put Jeffries at 7. However I stated that we'd probably need Solomona back if we were to switch a player from the back row.'"
yeah im hoping sol is going to be fit for friday we could do with him back.
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| Quote ="redeverready"No but you can dent their confiedence to such a level that they never get over it.'"
yes but if they arent playing well enough then they dont deserve to be in the team, get them dropped. you cant just refuse to drop someone because it might hurt their feelings. it might give them the kick up the they need to get back into it.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I think we should consider giving a bench spot to one of the younger guys this week though. What is the logic of picking a winger on the bench?'" It would be OK if one of the wingers could play centre then you could give Nero a spell in the backrow.
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| Quote ="Richard_bull"yes but if they arent playing well enough then they dont deserve to be in the team, get them dropped. you cant just refuse to drop someone because it might hurt their feelings. it might give them the kick up the booty they need to get back into it.'" I'm on about youngster's. Look how long it's taken Brown, Aspinwall, Robinson and Wild to get over being thrown in at the deep end during their time in a struggling Wigan side.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Oh well, Hull lost at home to Salford so I guess we aren't the only laughing stocks this weekend.
Yeah, I agree...some bloody consolation
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We can choose which weekend to play Harlequins?
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| Quote ="redeverready"I'm on about youngster's. Look how long it's taken Brown, Aspinwall, Robinson and Wild to get over being thrown in at the deep end during their time in a struggling Wigan side.'"
ah right yeah i see where you are coming from, but i still feel you have to do something about these first team players not playing well enough, and the only way to do that is to drop em, and bring in some of the academy players.
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| Quote ="Highlander"We can choose which weekend to play Harlequins?
Other than that - I got nothing'"
Probably cos there IS no consolation this time, as far as I can see?
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| Least we don't have to wait long to get back out on the field
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Least we don't have to wait long to get back out on the field
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I'm quietly clinging onto the final hope that this is all part of McNamaras crazy plan to fool super league.
Plan is we play e all the way up to the Leeds game, hammer Leeds by 70, and win every game upto the grand final where we once again play Leeds. We're losing in the 79th minute, with 10 seconds to go. The ball comes to Menzies, who passed it to Platt, who finds a gap, has a brain fart and chucks the ball over his head - which then finds its way to Halley, who plays it inside to Sykes, who plays it back to Platt.. who SCORES!
But wait, in another brain fart, the video referee thinks Platt has knocked on when putting the ball on the line. 10 seconds later the TRY sign appears and once again we are the champions, destroying the hearts and minds of the Leeds site, and fans to which they never ever recover.
Wishful thinking, that'll probably never happen for a hundred years or so (at least with those players, else they'd be running around at a grand age of 120+), but it's nice to dream.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"I'm quietly clinging onto the final hope that this is all part of McNamaras crazy plan to fool super league.
Plan is we play poop all the way up to the Leeds game, hammer Leeds by 70, and win every game upto the grand final where we once again play Leeds. We're losing in the 79th minute, with 10 seconds to go. The ball comes to Menzies, who passed it to Platt, who finds a gap, has a brain fart and chucks the ball over his head - which then finds its way to Halley, who plays it inside to Sykes, who plays it back to Platt.. who SCORES!
But wait, in another brain fart, the video referee thinks Platt has knocked on when putting the ball on the line. 10 seconds later the TRY sign appears and once again we are the champions, destroying the hearts and minds of the Leeds site, and fans to which they never ever recover.
Wishful thinking, that'll probably never happen for a hundred years or so (at least with those players, else they'd be running around at a grand age of 120+), but it's nice to dream.
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I like it
However I think this one is for you
A nice cup of coffee
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| I think you might be having a breakdown Paul, fear not though.. you're not alone.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"I think you might be having a breakdown Paul, fear not though.. you're not alone.'"
I'm backing you in your prediction of Brian Smith, back at the Bulls in 2010 by the way.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"icon_lol.gif I'm backing you in your prediction of Brian Smith, back at the Bulls in 2010 by the way.
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It wasn't a prediction.. it was a prayer!!
We'll probably get Darryl Powell and Iestyn Harris.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Don't be sorry - it was. But still keep wondering what position Macca must have been playing to have missed all those tackles...?
Even so, something is clearly not right in the players' heads right now, and I guess it has to be on the coach's shoulders to sort it - and bloody quick.'"
Well, the other week when I named them the "Collapsibulls" in my sig, because they are, i would still never have imagined that.
We shipped 40 points in not much over half an hour. To illustrate how bad that actually is, if you played at the same rate all game, you'd concede 100 points.
The players on the field - especially having collapsed and collapsed in several games previously - ought to hang their heads in shame.
The fact that for 45 minutes we had so far outplayed Catalans that it looked like a training run against Wibsey Juniors makes it so much worse, and - well, what's the word ten orders of magnitude beyond 'inexplicable'?
I actually have no clue how a team can look so good, for so long, and then collapse like a pack of cards. The more I think about it, the less sense it makes. It wasn't fitness; at the end we were still going strong and attacking, and with a tiny bit of luck could have salvaged a win. What was it?
Out of a sense of duty I made myself watch the second half again, and all I can say is that as soon as some lasting pressure was applied to us, our defensive systems seemed to collapse, and the sort of ragged lines and holes appeared that I would expect at a junior game. It isn't our first collapse, it is though by far the worst and most humiliating, and I think what I would do if I were coach is sit down and analyse the tapes of all our collapses, identify the worst 4 players whose defensive work disintegrated the most in each game, and drop them.
You note I said "the most", and that's because whatever way you look at it, ALL the team shares collective responsibility for this 19th Nervous Breakdown, but you can't drop 'em all.
The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it.
But I refuse to believe that te players do not know our defensive patterns, that plainly can't be possible, and so if you eliminate that then it means they [ido[/i know their defensive patterns, but simply lose their heads and [iignore[/i them for swathes at a time.
Why? You'd probably need a psychiatrist for that one. As an amateur diagnosis, the bottom line is that we clearly seem to suffer from a collective panic, which turns us into headless chickens, until we let the opposition get in front, when we gather our wits about us and start to play again.
It would be less painful if McNamara's team was a poor side, but it's not. There are some top players throughout the squad, and for half the game they showed it and looked the polished part. The trouble was the other half they fell around polishing their parts instead of tackling the opposition, and I really don't understand it, but the players who did that are the ones who we need honest answers from.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it.
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Seven games gone and no improvement shown, it's certainly looking like the end is nigh.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The coach carries the can, and it is up to him to sort whatever it is, but frankly I think it's past the point of no return now. An unlikely win against Leeds may be all that can save him as I have that feeling of a coach here who is on borrowed time from his Board, it has, to me, that 'end of days' feel about it now and I am sure Hood & Co. will have had that conversation. Whether it is right or wrong, it seems to be gathering an ominous aura of inevitability about it. '"
Where is ME he will want this for his sig
For me I think there is a case for sticking with Macca until it is clear we wont make the playoffs but many would argue that we are starring down the barrel of doing this now. Sad times for the club.
On a positive note, it was pleasing to hear Claire Balding describe Nero as 'the emperor'
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| Its looking bad for the coach. This is substantially his team, its past the stage where some of the blame lay with previous regimes. If this collapse had been a one off you could excuse it but its the third under his leadership and as Lady Bracknell would say....
I thought after the Wigan match that it was time for Hood to start looking around to see who else might be available. But what we dont need is an abrupt sacking followed by the hasty appointment of some out of work coach who just happens to be readily available. I'd still rather write off this season and make sure we have the right guy in place in the summer, when recruiting for next season starts.
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| If FA has lost the faith I do feel it is the end for Mac, I will get no pleasure from it, quite the opposite; another potentially top British coach bites the dust. I have not seen the game, I was enjoying the banter of Cougarville, but the teams performances & attitude is the sum of the coaches work. Saints showed you can beat the best in SL without a SH if you are coached well (flashback to Milward), Leeds showed you can challenge the best in the CC even if you are playing poorly provided your key men put the effort in.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"But I refuse to believe that te players do not know our defensive patterns, that plainly can't be possible, and so if you eliminate that then it means they [ido[/i know their defensive patterns, but simply lose their heads and [iignore[/i them for swathes at a time..'"
The only other explanation I can think of is that Macca cannot do tactics on the fly, or adapt to a changing tactical situation. When he has all week to analyse & drill the players to an upcoming game - We generally start well & brightly (ignoring Wigan). At half time - the oppositon coach can see what needs to be done to nullify our strengths & exploit our weaknesses in that specific game - and does it. I have no idea what happens in our dressing room at half time but not much seems to summarise it. The opposition start to exert some pressure, our confidence vanishes like snow off a dyke, leadership on & off the field takes an ill-timed break, then we have post match platitudes again.
As an aside - Platt just took a huge gamble with that offload - if he held onto the ball I think another set without possession was certain defeat anyway - so the choice he was left with was -
1) hold onto ball, look competent but certain defeat
2)Very risky offload - small chance to get possession back, downside looks stupid.
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| Quote ="Highlander"The only other explanation I can think of is that Macca cannot do tactics on the fly,'"
I think the bigger problem is that he has recruited a group of players who cannnot do tactics on the fly
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