I agree with all of that. Saints are the worst team to have ever won a GF in my opinion. Not their fault, as they were shorn of all their creative players.

But, still, the fact they were able to cruise through to a GF and actually win it speaks volumes about the paucity of the opposition.

Wane should face a disrepute charge for this. Mayhem? Collectively make it impossible for the referee to control the game?

Wigan statement:

"That's what's gonna get us a f*cking win next week"



What it actually got them was a red card in the second minute and ultimately a defeat against opposition they were expected to beat.

Who would seriously want to perform for that gobshíte? He comes across as a right nasty piece of work.

This footage is from Wigans WCC trip earlier this year not the grand final .

Well ok, but it's not a good mentality to coach into a team, regardless of the match they're playing in.

On a lighter note,Louie Mcarthy Scarsbrook should be invited to everyone's party,yes he swore on camera but what the hell given the circumstances.After the game he was in the background on every interview having a jolly good time,great to see somebody enjoying winning like that

Also nice to see Wigan realise they are not the best,they must of been a few chips missing from a few shoulders at the end of the match

Upto being sent off he was having a good game.

Wonder of Flower got any votes for MOfM? He was certainly player with biggest impact on game

Who for Saints? He dropped the ball with the line at his mercy immediately before getting himself sent off.

A former Bradford player told me of one coach who would occasionally tell the players stuff like "I dont care if half of you get sent off today".

None of the players took that literally.

Funny, no one's mentioned whether the ref had a good game or not..

He got an easy decision in early to help settle his nerves



I am sure Mr Flowers will be honoured to know he featured at the top of an article called top 5 pommie league thugs down under

There's almost no punishment the RFL could throw at Flower that could be considered too harsh, unless you are a typical small town Wigan inbred. But I remember Barry (before he was Barrie) McDermott hitting Paul Sironen with a shot that was potentially more damaging than Flower's, & he turned from a thug into the best prop of his generation. It will be interesting to see how his career pans out.

McDermott's 1994 shot on Sironen was at in at number 3 , just below Adrian Morley's high shot on Robbie Kearns which I think is still the fastest red card in international footie at 12 secs in. But you are right TT about all the wider public will ever know about this year's premier RL event was Flowers smashing someone already out on the deck

Sironen was brilliant, I agree.

I have fond memories of Bazza's long running feud with namesake Brian, with Brian delivering the coup de grace at the McAlpine [as was though, obviously, it was disgusting foul play and I would [inever[/i glorify anything like that..though it [iwas[/i well deserved..

Brian Mac's Hudders semi final scrap was against Newton, Masella and the might Damian Gibson.

Cassidy's flying elbow on Morley in 98 was awful. Intent to elbow a player in the face at full speed.

Moriarty breaking Hugh Waddell's jaw at Leeds was prob the worst I've seen. Worse than Flower.

Ah, I lose track! So many encounters and all so alike...disgraceful anyway

Whoosh!!!

Don't think it's relevant which team benefitted from his action to be honest, what he did [or maybe more accurately, the referees reaction to it, was probably the defining moment of the game, so 'man of the match' sounds about right. If we want the award to simply go to the 'best', or most effective, player maybe we should move to the American MVP award?

Still the worst incident I've personally seen. But it was on Morley, and that kinda made it okay.

If Cassidy had not been half Morley's size the damage from that could have been unimaginable.
Cassidy, Barry Mc, Flower - there must be a common denominator?

O'Connor was no shrinking violet either.....now you mention it

And as for that Roy Powell. Vile.