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| Quote ="tigertot"Oxymoron alert.'"
Ruth Davidson has made the Tories the second party in Scotland, following the results of the recent Scottish elections. Given that we have always been a Labour heartland and we have the dramatic rise of the Freedom Fighters, this is a heck of an achievement.
Labour have only got themselves to blame however. Red Ed was un-electable and Corbyn is even worse. Also, Kezia Dugdale as the Leader of Scottish Labour is like a rabbit in the headlights up against Davidson and Nippy Nicola.
Admittedly, Willie Rennie, the leader of the Scottish Lib-Dems is good but (disillusion Lib-Dem voter here) he has too big a job to do after Clegg pimped his ar$e out to the Tory highest bidders.
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| Quote ="vbfg" I do not have the words for the depth of my resentment towards my countrymen right now.'"
And it is but a small part of my contempt for those parts of the left who argue that a crisis that screws large sections of a population over is an opportunity to be welcomed. They have never, ever, ever been right. Accelerationists are the first to be sent to the camps that, for now, exist only in my head.
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| Quote ="vbfg"And it is but a small part of my contempt for those parts of the left who argue that a crisis that screws large sections of a population over is an opportunity to be welcomed. They have never, ever, ever been right. Accelerationists are the first to be sent to the camps that, for now, exist only in my head.'"
Would I be right in thinking that you are not 100% content with the result of EU Ref?
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| Quote ="vbfg"And it is but a small part of my contempt for those parts of the left who argue that a crisis that screws large sections of a population over is an opportunity to be welcomed. They have never, ever, ever been right. Accelerationists are the first to be sent to the camps that, for now, exist only in my head.'"
It sounds like you want to kill the Trots. Does that make you a Stalinist?
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| Quote ="ridlerbull"It sounds like you want to kill the Trots. Does that make you a Stalinist?'"
If you like Stalin so much, why don't you go live there?
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| Quote Would I be right in thinking that you are not 100% content with the result of EU Ref?'"
I have a little bit of a monk on about it, yes.
When we're paying the same amount for EEA access, the same free movement, no say, no citizenship and only have the racists who helped out and are demanding unfulfilled and unfulfillable promises to be made good on to contend with I'm sure I'll feel better about it.
(One of the students I work most closely with was spat on last week for speaking Greek with her friends. If that had been the only outcome I would be kicking off about it. The "Trust me I'm Polish" t-shirt I just bought from eBay in the hopes of some squat little gadge having a crack is making me feel a little better, though. Kurwa.).
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| Quote ="ridlerbull"If you like Stalin so much, why don't you go live there?'"
The Georgians are trying to get into the EU. Perhaps if they succeed, he will?!
Still, we wouldn't get in would we?
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"The concept of a unified North, if it ever existed, is surely now dead. '"
Quote ="mystic eddie" However, the United Regions of Northern Britain does sound tempting!!!'"
Scotland used to include Cumbria & Northumberland. But obviously, offering Berwick the chance to re-join after a successful independence vote would be the initial legal test case I would think.
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| Quote ="ridlerbull"It sounds like you want to kill the Trots. Does that make you a Stalinist?'"
My instinct is towards internationalism and a permanent revolution that transforms all societies from their agrarian base into more advanced models with travelling labour armies to descend on an area and transform its infrastructure.
After the civil war that killed its supporters Socialism in One Country and its attendant failures for the general culture were all that was left.
Base and superstructure, motherfsckers. Base and superstructure.
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| Quote ="vbfg"
(One of the students I work most closely with was spat on last week for speaking Greek with her friends. If that had been the only outcome I would be kicking off about it. The "Trust me I'm Polish" t-shirt I just bought from eBay in the hopes of some squat little gadge having a crack is making me feel a little better, though. Kurwa.).'"
This certainly does cause a lot of concern hearing this. After all, it is fair to say that if the "racists" want to get out and pedal their bile then I would have though that they would not have to do much looking for targets in Bradford and West Yorkshire?
It is odd to think of us up here being being seen as "sensible!" It is not something I am particularly comfortable with either.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Scotland used to include Cumbria & Northumberland. But obviously, offering Berwick the chance to re-join after a successful independence vote would be the initial legal test case I would think.'"
We may have taken their football team, but we will never take their FRRRRREEEEEEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMMM!
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I want to change my answer to fully automated luxury communism - the obvious next step after a universal guaranteed income that tracks the poverty line - an essential requirement in a world of increasing automation where there will never be jobs for what was once the working class, immigration or not.
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| Quote ="vbfg"I want to change my answer to fully automated luxury communism - the obvious next step after a universal guaranteed income that tracks the poverty line - an essential requirement in a world of increasing automation where there will never be jobs for what was once the working class, immigration or not.'"
I can only hope that the punishment beating from the EU will be implementation of the Universal Basic Income.
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| Quote ="Highlander"Scotland used to include Cumbria & Northumberland. But obviously, offering Berwick the chance to re-join after a successful independence vote would be the initial legal test case I would think.'"
Or, if there was sufficient existing will in the town, it could simply be annexed, in some Putinesqe like move, a bit like Crimea? I mean, that one seems to have gone ahead despite all the rhetoric.
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| As a natural Lib Dem I'm gratified that Tim Farron has said he would go into the coming general election (I'm assuming we get one in the autumn) campaigning on a platform of not allowing brexit. On that statement they've added 6k new members in two days.
There is a slow but creeping message from a multitude of places, that regardless of the fact that 52% of people have taken delight in having no measurable brain activity, we shouldn't let this exit happen.
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| If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.
Personally I'm just glad we did something that warrants its own chapter in The Decline and Fall of Western Civilisation.
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| Quote ="vbfg":10hagyt8If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.
This is the largest part of the problem.
If it had been 60% against 40% the arguments, if not the opinions, would be over. But it wasn't, it was pretty much down the middle. With the Leavers now backing off about sending notice to quit it does seem they maybe realise they have bitten off something bigger than they thought, and they are worried.
Johnson certainly gives the impression that he was in it for the jape, and maybe hoped it would enhance his leadership bid but now looks panicky as he realises they never actually worked out a plan for if they won. Either that or someone put the fag packet in a bin...
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| Quote ="vbfg"If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots.'"
This is why I find it risible that political luminaries such as Jennifer Saunders tells her 100k fans on Facebook that we should all be polite and pull together. I can't emphaise enough to people that the twee "keep calm and carry on" is applicable after a minor flood, or a cat up a tree, but wholly inappropriate to civil war.
Because to me, the seismic nature of the rift in this country is as close to the effects of civil war as it is to the partisan aftermath of a contentious general election. It suits brexiteers to chalk this attitude to melodrama, but I believe it to be true nontheless.
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| That is the truest thing you have said. It's just the beginning.
I want my country back.
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When we're paying the same amount for EEA access, the same free movement, no say, no citizenship and only have the racists who helped out and are demanding unfulfilled and unfulfillable promises to be made good on to contend with I'm sure I'll feel better about it.
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Imagine their petty, small minded faces when the dawning realisation that no veto on Turkish membership means the exact thing they we're crowing and shouting about stopping is going to happen only now they can do Jack Sh1t to stop it...
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| Three weeks ago Germany officially recognised the Armenian genocide as the historical fact that it is.
That right there was the nearest signal to a formal end of the long abandoned Turkish hopes of joining we're going to get. They've been pivoting to the near east since Erdogan came to power.
Turkey was the reddest red herring in the whole debate.
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| Quote ="vbfg"If it doesn't happen there will be riots. If it does, there will also be riots. '"
the right wing press who fermented the supposed threat of immigration, fear of forriners, rule by Brussels will ensure there is no going back.
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| There are currently freaking out too, though I suspect because freaking the fsck out is the thing that sells right now.
Also, they need to pass through something before turning their ire on the low waged / unemployed as the scourge of society.
(Just today I have twice walked away from conversations with people who regret their vote. I work with them, and they have fscked themselves just like they have fscked me and the rest of this city's largest employer outside the council. It was an hour ago and I'm still shaking with rage. This is a scene being played out up and down the land. Good luck with that national unity gibberish. Not going to happen.)
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[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYxbXzLNn0wIt's a week later and I am considerably calmer.[/url
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