Not really sure about the figure being "alarming", though I can see where you're coming from. Given that we're moving out of the city, had a financial 'situation', been in special measures, we've not signed many players but lost a lot, and then we got the lottery fiasco and even JK has referred to Chalmers' financial running of the club in a pejorative manner according to a story in the T&A etc etc… With all that to contend with it's not really a shock, imo.

I'd imagine that many will be 'holding off' until they see how things turn out and to be honest I expect many will take the plunge and buy tickets, or if they feel travelling to Dewsbury is not something they fancy every fortnight some may well pay on the gate when they feel like the journey. We maybe need to take stock when the 'early bird' ends - though, of course, that date could be elastic. I'm not trying to talk it up. It is, or will be, serious if things don't turn round but I find it hard to be surprised, to be honest.

I think the problem is that these days you need to basically go to every match to gain any benefit from a Season Ticket. And I would guess that a lot of people either feel less inclined to do that - or are just unable to do so with any certainty.

Back when ST's were much cheaper, there was real value - and even when you maybe had to miss an odd game, it didn't really matter because you were still saving. Obviously that got us into financial problems, but it still made people more likely to buy one, surely. I know that was the case for me.

Perhaps the switch to Dewsbury just means that more people are going to be able to get to every game, and will just pay on the gate. The shenanigans over the close season won't have helped either.

I would hope that they acknowledge the fans right to be cautious, and offer after X games into the season (where x is greater than one but less than twice the number you first thought of) a part deal such as 6 games for the price of 5 . No idea what the technology at the Dewsbury gates would allow such as bar code scanning, so dependent on that so its a secure deal for them. seems like a good one to ask them on the Talk the Talk then Walk the Walk Q n A thingy.
LOL on the Fax odds, shame FA isn't here to appreciate and commentate on them. Gulp, err,,, big gulp..... how I miss him. Please come back FA, I was wrong about everything and you were so so right.

I'm sure the big take up of seats initially will have been people thinking the stand will get full. Also to get a decent view you really need to be a few rows back so less to choose from. If you're standing there is no rush to get one until the deadline...

Apparently everything is fine with the Bulls and the past two years haven't been a disaster, and there's no need at all for any kind of inquiry... Who lives in this fantasy world then? Step forward Mr Ralph Rimmer... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... s-20937434

Apparently everything is fine with the Bulls and the past two years haven't been a disaster, and there's no need at all for any kind of inquiry... Who lives in this fantasy world then? Step forward Mr Ralph Rimmer... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... s-20937434

Quote ="paulwalker71"Apparently everything is fine with the Bulls and the past two years haven't been a disaster, and there's no need at all for any kind of inquiry... Who lives in this fantasy world then? Step forward Mr Ralph Rimmer... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... s-20937434'" As an outsider in all this and of course not fully understanding all the goings on, it does appear to smack of a massive cover up by the RFL - it strikes me that an independent enquiry is the only way to provide any clarity Hope you come out of this stronger, but I wouldn’t trust the RFL as far as I could chuck em

Quote ="paulwalker71"Apparently everything is fine with the Bulls and the past two years haven't been a disaster, and there's no need at all for any kind of inquiry... Who lives in this fantasy world then? Step forward Mr Ralph Rimmer... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/rugby-le ... s-20937434'" As an outsider in all this and of course not fully understanding all the goings on, it does appear to smack of a massive cover up by the RFL - it strikes me that an independent enquiry is the only way to provide any clarity Hope you come out of this stronger, but I wouldn’t trust the RFL as far as I could chuck em

I agree with that. If you're only getting one or two games free and there's a chance you might miss one or two games, what benefit do you really get, other than the made up ones like "priority to ask the bulls".

It doesn't help that the club are still saying "announced in due course" when asked what the gate prices will be. So people actually don't know what the saving of a season ticket is and the way the club don't want to announce them would make conspiracy theorists think that there probably isn't a high saving which is why they're being all shy about it.

Rimmer won't endorse an independent inquiry into the RFL as he is part of the RFL!!

The "bar-code scanning" at Odsal consisted of a few people with mobile phones at a gate, trying to catch a half second when the wind wasn't blowing, so the printed out sheets could be read without blowing about all over the place. Sort of 21st century, but perhaps not quite as we'd imagined it - that said, I'd expect the same to be the order of the day at Dewsbury.

Christ that image of Rimmer in the Mirror article just makes me want to sock him in the chops

As a long time Trinity season ticket holder, I gave up thinking about the benefits I would get from being a season ticket holder, remember the great words JFK uttered back in the 1960s “Think not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country “ change the words country to clubs, then this should apply to all RL fans.

"Do it for your club" is something that stopped washing with Bulls fans quite a few years ago, as it's all we've been asked to do for the last decade+ with constantly disappointing returns.

Think that's called sport... Maybe if we hadn't been to 5 grand finals in a row??

Yes, it's absolutely that. It's just because the team isn't doing as well as it used to. Not at all to do with being taken for idiots by (mis) management for year after year after year and being told to pay through the nose for it too.

That tosh about people leaving because the club got relegated and because favourite players don't play here anymore might work for the more casual fans, but I don't think it's relevant to many people on this forum who very much don't fall into that category.

I’m not sure it feels like MY club anymore, that’s probably the issue. It’s going to take a lot of time to fix the damage to this club, I hope any new owners are now beginning to understand this.

Nailed it here.

With the way I/we have been treated over the past 10 years; milked of cash, promised and let down, lied to and disregarded, it's going to take a lot more than pretty words and emotional blackmail to repair the trust.

TBH maybe a month or so I go I sort of wished we had gone completely so I wouldn't have to worry about it anymore.

At the moment the new peniless owners have sold off the genus of a great young team (again) to pay bills (instead of investing the money they should have to invest, as displayed in the RFLs 'fit and proper persons' test).

And although 2 players have been bought, the progress made is nowhere near enough to get me to invest my money and time in a season ticket again.

There needs to be a moratorium on the words 'Super' and 'League' at the Bulls for the next 5 years. Any member of staff suggesting it's where we are headed/where we should be/planning for etc should be dragged b0ll0ck/butt naked into the Centre of the Mirror Pool and summarily executed.

I think its fair to say there are two types of clubs in the RFL pyramid. Aspirant Superleague clubs and those that do not aspire to be in the top flight. Sawyer appears to have explained the conflict of interest in part owning Bradford and Dewsbury that we are in different categories, so in some sense not competitors. Anyway, I think it is legitimate to call us an aspirational SL club, but the timescale on that is clearly years away.

Could only agree to that if the word Administration was included

There's nothing wrong with being "aspirational" provided there is also a sense of realism.

I don't see us as much different from Dewsbury. We're no different from any championship club in that, given the chance we'd love to get to the top flight but that "chance" is really just a dream. For sure, as a 'big city club', you'd expect our name to be bandied about but, as we all know, we've been hanging on for that big investor to pop his or her head around the door for years and that person seems to have got lost. Like many I've stopped believing now - though I confess the investor dream lasted longer than Santa Claus.

Don't suppose the guy tht dropped £105m on the Euro Lottery is a closet Bulls fan?

Don't start trying to get my hopes up again - they've been dashed too often already...

Nestegg?

It's in the past now, but when we were averaging 8k crowds towards the end with a salary cap of £1.8m but TV income of £1.2m, we seemed to be making a loss of about £1/2m per year if the first admin accounts were to be believed. We were relegated the year before the new TV contract came in which increased the TV money to £1.8m per year. It's likely we could survive on that. But need money to get in there, which we don't have.

Oh yeah!

Of course, we were living Chris Caisley's dream back then. The board spent the 'Odsal settlement' money on buying players for the first team (it was really intended for ground repairs etc after the club took on that responsibility from the council) and that is where the £ half million per year losses came from. CC clearly believed that the better the team was the more fans would come flocking into Odsal. To some extent that was true but the 15/16K we were getting was always going to be the most we were likely to get. I can still remember CC's statements to the T&A berating fans for not turning up in even bigger numbers. Seeds were sown, cloth was cut etc, we are where we are.