If i could see some of these "supporters" actually putting money in to the scheme, rather than the council funding it all so far I would not be so "Cynical"!

I have lived in BD 6 for all but 2 of my 32 years, and I want this facility as much if not more than anyone. however, my experience as a Bradfordian suggests that if something does not happen straight away with a project, it will not happen!

That is not cynicism, just experience of 32 years living in a district that does not know how to move forward like many of our neighbours have!

So, you do seriously believe that the whole lot of all these major bodies are all entirely wasting their time, and money, for nothing. It's a point of view.

I suggest that only BMDC and the bulls have put any money in yet . The rest have supported the scheme in principle, or will put money into it at a later date! these organisations will only invest when it is sure to happen. we are still funding (We as in Bulls fans and Bradford taxpayers) feasability studies.

So I am not suggesting they are all wasting their time, I am suggesting they are biding their time!

Read what I write, not what you want to see!

They have put money into it.

HTH




I unfortuantely do read what you write. As you appear to suffer from short term memory loss, I suggest you do likewise. To suggest you do NOT think they are wasting their time, but simply biding their time, is the opposite of what you said, which is, specifically, that you expect OSV to "fail".

WTF would I "want" to see from you? I don't know you! You're the self-styled cynic whose stated opinion, and which I note is your considered opinion and not mere cynicism, is that "it will not happen".

It is quite ironic that you mention Leigh, btw, when the people appointed to crack on with the next stage are the same people that were responsible for the nuts and bolts of the Leigh project.

Well said Asim.

The fact is that nobody in the district is well served by the Met District being set up as it is, whether they be from Bradford the city, or from the outlying towns.

Odsal Sporting Village might well be great for people on the south side of the Met District, but it offers nothing to the like of Keighley, Silsden etc..

But then why should I have an opinion, I only pay rates.

As a kid I often used the Richard Dunn centre yet it was miles from where I lived at the time (Pudsey). I suspect the users of that place weren't confined to those from south Bradford. I don't see the future users of OSV to be any different.

Having one development at Odsal is better than none at all IMO. If that means having to travel then tough cheese!

It can't be described as "tough cheese" ?!?

We pay rates, so should expect the same level of facilities.

It's not practical to expect people from this end of the valley to use facilities in Odsal, particularly as people are now enourage to use public transport. I can get the train to Leeds quicker!

Having lived on the posh side =yellow[size=59(it's relative)[/size of Bradford for the last 15 years I have never been to Richard Dunne. Apart from a pool I don't know what is there. I assumed there were similar facilities closer to where I lived. Without the poor people.

So what do you want?

Two brand new sports facilities, one on each side of the city? In fact, why not 4 - N, S, E and W?

Or none at all, coz its in the wrong place?

When exactly would you be happy?

Unbelievable!

The facilites are for everyone as far as I'm aware. You have as much right to use them as anyone else.

You can get 2 buses from Keighley to Odsal, about 40 mins on a good day.

What exactly is your complaint? The location? The fact that its not in Keighley? They have to build it somewhere FFS.

Unfortunately wherever it is built [isomeone[/i will be unhappy about it.

I have to travel from Wigan to use it, yet you don't hear me complaining!!

What is your point? People in the Aire Valley don't want to travel to Odsal to watch the Bulls or City? Because its too far? But they will stretch to VP, if they have to?
They have to build the stadium somewhere. Will City "fans" stop supporting them if they move to the "wrong" side of the city? Well some fans in that case.
They can all go and support Aire Valley United in that case.

Good question.

Seriously though it was in response to the earlier post saying that people from up the Aire Valley didn't consider themselves as having anything to do with Bradford.

Your other points could just as easily be attributed to the number of Bulls fans who couldn't be d to get off their backsides and travel to Valley Parade because it was no longer a 10 minute walk.

Clearly there are lazy people everywhere in Bradford!

Short of building a sports village in everyones back garden I don't see a solution that will please everyone.

Given the population and population density of Bradford in comparison Keighley there are potentially more people who will use a sports village in Odsal than in Keighley. The transport network gives easier access too. So it obviously makes more sense to build it there than up the Aire Valley.

The organisations in the partnership obviously can't afford to build two OSVs - we haven't got one built yet! I'm well aware of the parochialism of people in the Bradford district area whether they be from Keighley or south Bradford but it never fails to amaze me!

You could apply that to Bulls fans moaning about having to travel to VP

Well Asim has already. Folk are going to moan wherever you build an "OSV". That's my point about parochialism. But if you look objectively you can see why Odsal seems like a good site in comparison with "somewhere up the Aire valley".

Of course you could.
So....
What do you want? A sporting village in Keighley? Bingley?

No.

And I don't think I'm on record as asking for one.

I would expect that leisure facilities should be raised to a high standard throughout the district, whether it be Odsal or Keighley.

Just for the record:

I am not against new lesiure facilities being built to serve South Bradford, however, if we're being honest, this is a being used as a trojan horse by the Bulls for new facilities for them.

If we accept this, then I am keen to know where will the money be coming from, keeping in mind that they already have accepted a £4.something million payout to look after their own destiny?

How can that site on the edge of a district be preferable to one in the centre? Unless you're thinking of making provision for Calderdale now?

I'm not aware of any sites in the centre of the district that are suitable.

Perhaps Odsal is the only site where the council owns land that of sufficient size? It's easy to reach from the city centre by road. It's not on green belt and is in no danger of flooding.

A new stadium next to the motorway network is a potential money spinner for the council too in case it wishes to bid for events, so maybe there is something in it for the non Bulls supporting taxpayer after all? The stadium development will give the council a bigger asset than it currently holds. The KC stadium in Hull is the base for a lot of positive work in the community where various projects and businesses have offices. This could be repeated in Bradford.

If the OSV ends up attracting people from Calderdale or Leeds or anywhere else then surely that's a good thing? They'll be swelling the coffers of Bradford council! That's another benefit to you!

Edge?

Odsal?

Are you drunk?

Won't a lot of it be privately financed?

I've been teetotal for a day now.

Here's a map, and I reckon Odsal is more or less where the 6036 converges with the 641?

[urlhttp://mediafiles.thedms.co.uk/Publication/YS-Brad/cms/pdf/Bradford-district-map.pdf[/url

Edge of district by anyones standards.

Well, that's the thing..it's all a bit vague.

Do you have some figures?

It won't last. I give it till 7pm




See that orangey circle with "BRADFORD" above it? Well, that's the centre. See the blue line with M606 which almost touches the orange line? Well, that's where Odsal is. It is almost directly central to the district. Unless you're suggesting that the middle of your map, which is Bingley Five Rise Locks, is the true "centre"?




Only about as much as Bradford City Centre itself is "edge of district". Which would make your point, er, well, to be polite, balderdash?