Ed Balls.

or Koppy.

not fussed which.

Agree, after last years performance deserves the no 10 shirt

Surely not Tony Benn at 10, always could be tackled by going left time and time again.
And the Beast was never a viable selection for 10, he could only huff and puff and never
find his way to the try line.

Redamberandblack.net home of trotskites, marxists, stalinists despite the fact that millions died at the hands of world communism throughout the last century.

People die. Get over it.

Woah.... Over my head!!??

BNP man is back.

To be fair, its a well known fact that fascists never killed anyone...

Civilians Killed by Governments in the Twentieth Century: Top Twenty Regimes

Location (Regime)
Deaths
Era

Soviet Union (Communists) 61,900,000
1917-1990
China (Communists) 35,200,000
1949-present
Germany (Nazi Third Reich) 20,900,000
1933-1945
China (Kuomintang) 10,400,000
1928-1949
Japan (Imperial-Fascist) 6,000,000
1936-1945
China (Communist Guerrillas) 3,500,000
1923-1948
Cambodia (Communists) 2,000,000
1975-1979
Turkey ("Young Turks"icon_wink.gif 1,900,000
1909-1917
Vietnam (Communists) 1,700,000
1945-present
North Korea (Communists) 1,700,000
1948-present
Poland (Communists) 1,600,000
1945-1948
Pakistan (Yahya Khan) 1,500,000
1971
Mexico (Porfiriato) 1,400,000
1900-1920
Yugoslavia (Communists) 1,100,000
1944-1990
Russia (Czarist) 1,100,000
1900-1917
Turkey (Mustafa Kemal "Ataturk"icon_wink.gif 900,000
1918-1923
United Kingdom (Constitutional) 800,000
1900-present
Portugal (Fascist) 700,000
1926-1975
Croatia (Fascists) 700,000
1941-1945
Indonesia (Suharto) 600,000
1965-present

Yeah but those Che Guevara t shirts did look cool.

Oh I love those Channel 4 top twenty shows. When was this one on? I think I missed it.

Poor little Belgium. They put so much effort into killing all those Congonese and they never make these lists.

Awesome thread drift btw, well done everybody.

Putting the red in Redamberandblack! Keep the red flag flying high.

Last time I looked Tony Benn and Dennis Skinner weren't Trotskyites or Communists or Marxist Leninists.

You surely are not being serious. It is the like of these people that have resulted in this countries fall into the slum that it has become over the past sixty years or so.

Yes and nowt to do with Thatcher, Major, Blair, Cameron et al?

Yes, they are the opposite side of the same coin. Both communism and globalised multinational big business are the enemies of the people.

Jimmy Carr ruined it as usual.

Nice list of entirely made up numbers there. Which part of you nether regions did you pluck them out of?

For example, do you really think we've only killed 800K civillians in the last 111 years? Dresden by itself is 25K. Where is America in your list? Vietnam alone would get them into that top 20. Franco's Spain? Care to quote a source for all this guff?

Surely you should be thanking Stalin anyway, just think about how many more Eastern European imigrants there would be but for the Purges...

Bourgeois liberal lackeys of international Jewry.

Well we are short of songs at Odsal....

I found them via [url=http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/tceh/Slouch_power4.htmlBrad DeLong[/url, who is [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Bradford_DeLongfar from a nutjob[/url. Not his figures though, he's just talking about them.

I looked because I thought they were nonsense at first. China ought to be way highest, given the famines in the late fifties and early sixties that directly resulted from the Great Leap Forward. Including those would double China's figure, but presumably they fall under the "incidental" deaths he talks about, i.e. where death is an unintended consequence of action rather than the primary motivation. Bombing campaigns that hit civilians are somewhat conveniently caught out the same way.

They're still guesses though. I seriously doubt they can get the Soviet Union that high without also including the famines that resulted from their policies.

Whoa Boys - I only asked who might be our No 10. Take a chill pill.

whoever it is, he won't be English

Shame. Looks useful, and fearless

pg