How do you define "real talent"?

Who's McDermott brought through at Quins who has "real talent"?

Lamont Bryant, Will Sharp and that Albanian Kid.

Awesome.

Know your stuff don't you.

Good job we have Dave Halley, Steve Crossley et al to illustrate we're really where it's at given we have far less amateur clubs to pop at compared to London.

Oh I've done it again...

Dont you just love [iagents provocateur[/i?

Half of me thinks Mac will do a good job and surprise a lot of people; the other half thinks he will be another Macca (or Jimmy Lowes - all from the same shed).

From what I have seen and heard, I would expect him to do a better job than Macca in the same circumstances. I'm not sure whether he's likely to be in the Maguire category though. But I'll not ridicule the appointment - it might just prove to be quite enlightened.

Is Google that bit too difficult to use?

I know what real talent is, I'm not sure you do, which is why I asked.

I like the sarcastic evasion of the questions though. Well done.

Given your "form", evidently not.



My pleasure. Works in tandem with your irony and similar inability to address a previous point and respond with a mind-blowing "Wow".

But then you will know more than GH obviously, who made the appointment to very clearly place his club in eternal decline. Because he does things like that ya see. Nor will he have consulted the likes of Peacock, Sinfield or Senior regarding Maccas coaching. No, he just wouldn't do that. He should have listened to an internet forum moderator. Because that's where it's really at.

Nice snide comment at the end there. Good stuff.

Still evading the questions I see.

Isn't this thread getting just like another one recently where we were told unequivocally to avoid the personal digs and keep on topic?

Yep I do.

Halley and Crossley are also mediocre. Weve still got a fair few Bradford produced internationals in in all grades though. Which isn't bad to say our local amatuer game isnt that good. But if Londons is so soooooper dupppper, where is the talent? Hit me with them?

nice selective picking of our youth, notice you overlooked whitehead,donaldon,addy,southernwood,obrien etc

Apologies to everyone concerned!

As I stated earlier, it's going to be an interesting season.

Despite arguments to the contrary I think Leeds are going to struggle a bit as they go through the next few years. Their golden generation is getting older and will take some replacing. They also have a coach who hasn't really proven himself (IMHO of course). The kids coming through may come good but don't look as good as the likes of McGuire, Burrow, Sinfield, Bailey, Diskin etc at the same age.

Of course I could be wrong, but I would be surprised to see Leeds finish higher than 4th next year.

Ah right, good job we had some players in the 4 nations then isn't it and Quins didn't.

Oh bollox, I've done it again. Must be that time of the month.

We had Bradford developed players there.

Hit me with all this London talent?

Please do, im waiting.x

Answer the question.

Will you throw your mouse mat at me if I don't?

Jog on Mavis.

We'll just take it that you dont have the answers.

Don't feed the troll. I did and it got me nowhere!

GH obviously wouldn't make a decision to deliberately derail his own club but everyone makes mistakes at some stage. Similarly, Peacock, Sinfield and Senior may speak highly of Brian McDermott's coaching ability but, as an example, Steve McNamara received similar plaudits when he took over from Brian Noble. In fact, some senior players still stand right behind McNamara as a coach despite his record at Bradford. It's good to listen to your players but sometimes their views can be clouded by other factors (maybe the player feeling they 'owe' the coach something for a specific role in their development) and somethimes they can just be wrong.

Personally I feel Brian Mac will do alright at Leeds but it's never a simple case of fact and fiction. A number of factors will arise to determine his relative success or failure. But cherry-picking facts to suit your argument for McDermott while ignoring the undeniable positive abilities possessed by Mick Potter is a little disingenuous. Both have pros and cons as coaches and both should go fine with their respective clubs this season.

You've got no answers.

You're just being rude there considering you had a pop at someone earlier in the thread for using the phrase 'the likes of' when picking out examples of Leeds players. You're obviously a knowledgeable bloke, why resort to cheap insults?

He is a she, apparentely.

I sustained my point.

At what point do I need your assistance or suggestions? Oh that's right, I don't. So on ya go flower with your new alias.

My real alias? What's your real alias? Not that I should have to explain myself to anyone on an anonymous internet forum but I very rarely post on here mainly because I very rarely feel the desire to. I read posts with interest and was engaged enough by this thread to contribute.

I could easily turn your question back on you to read: 'What are McDermott's undeniable positive abilities? Losing multiple games.' But that would just be futile.

If you really need me to point things out to you. He was an accomplished player and two-time Dally M Medallist, served a solid coaching apprenticeship under Matty Elliott, has coached at both junior and senior levels and has a reasonable track record of aiding young players' development, improved an upstart Catalans Dragons side enough to take them to a Challenge Cup final and a top-three finish (heights they have failed to come close to since) and reached two Grand Finals with Saints.
Yes, he lost both of those finals and that is an obvious blot on his copybook. But just as Potter has his faults, so does McDermott, something you seem to forget at times.

Would you care to clarify what you mean by this point, given the fact that you consistently backed "Macca" for all the time he was at Bradford?

Or is it the fact that now he is away he has suddenly become crap?

After all, you always seemed to disagree with anyone who ever slated McNamara but there now seems to be a bit of a shift in opinion here. I may be "moaning" but at least I do not change my views in order to suit the argument.....

As for McDermott v McNamara??? Not so sure but TBH, I do not give a stuff HOW McDermott goes, just as long as our own new boss does a job. More interested in my own side I have to say.