We must be the only team that just doesn't move up when defending

Is that coach or players?

Ditto, went on Thursday and that was bad enough, couldn't face a repeat at Wigan. 2 years ago when we won at the DW was one of my best memories of over 40 years as a supporter, how far we've fallen

The rest of the time they didn't get near enough to even attempt a tackle?

Sign him up - couldn't be any worse

Seriously though, I agree about Kear and its for very similar reasons I would be happy to see him at the helm. He has a very real and very current experience of who is available and worthy at Championship level - as well as plenty of knowledge at SL level as well from his media work and general experience.

I think he could work to a budget and make a real difference, whereas I think Noble would need a lot of money to effect worthwhile change.

That's true. I spent a large part of the 2nd half with my head in my hands but would have guessed I'd have needed a calculator. I'm probably gonna be slaughtered for this but should Kearney not be taking some responsibility for the poor organisation of our defensive line. As full back he should be organising them particularly when defending on the line, but it seems like organised chaos there at the moment.

Haven't watched the highlights of either game, they were bad enough to sit through the first time. On way to game my daughter had said maybe it will be like 2012 when we saw them win there against all odds (still one of her favourite games). After watching the warm up yesterday she predicted us losing by 50.

What strikes is the complete lack of passion,organanising and tackling.(Sorry there was no tackling and at times not even close enough to the opposition to contemplate a tackle)

We had the excuse when Hull piled 70.........They are drained,emotionally.
We all lapped it up.

But what here.
Players been paid.
Up to Cap.

Think they"ve thrown the towel in and many are picking up too much for very little.
The Telegraph Argus interview with Bateman shows just how professionally they run compared to this overpaid underperforming shower.
Cummins....to nice to say it how it is.
Gale spends a year been paid a fortune when injured.
Now hes fit does not appear the darling Franny thinks he is.

Rip it up and start again.
The song remains the same.

Music Quiz there anyone.
Better than watching e.

It's so extraordinary, it's impossible to say. It feels like a total collapse in trust. They're not listening to the coach and they don't believe in the guy stood next to them.

I don't believe this is all Cummins fault but I don't see how he can stay.

Being telling that for years.

Why not:

Go into Admin now on basis Administrator will make all FT players redundant

Re-sign only 6 on FT terms on sensible basic

Rest on part time terms

and start the re building, with next season in mind, NOW.

makes much better use of whatever income there is.

Because it's impossible

The Bulls are no where near up to the cap.... as per usual you talk garbage

David Moyes is out of work.

that was boring - though as I said at the time, I can stand one result like that but two is just too many...

James Lowes as head coach with Karl Harrison as Director of Rugby. Jimmy would get the slackers fired up and he absolutely loves Bradford Bulls.

One thing is definate and thats we need to be telling St. Hilaire to be on his way

greatful to franny for all he's done and that but realistically would like nobby or kear. not sure we could get an aussie over but would help surely

Unfortunately I'm not sure how we get out of this situation. The players vs Leeds and Wigan looked like they were beaten before we started. They went through the motions but played like they'd rather be anywhere else but on the field representing the Bulls. That's an attitude problem and it suggests they've given up.

I for one can't be bothered going if they're going to take that attitude. They can count on my support if they give 100% but not otherwise.

How do we get out of it? It's tough. We need some new players across the entire squad (about 2 props at least). They appear to be in short supply. As for FC, it's harsh but if there isn't a tangible improvement in performances over the next few weeks I'd let him go. With relegation it's all about this year and if the owners are serious about staying up then they need to freshen up the coaching staff. FC is under massive pressure and he's had more bad luck than any coach but I wonder if he's lost the dressing room given the abject performances lately.

Of course if the owners aren't serious about staying up and are merely managing a drop of a division we'll see from their actions. We'll see a further run of thrashings. FC will stay in charge for longer but we might make the odd loan signing to give the impression we're trying to stay up. Crowds will drop and players will leave.

lowes/harrison

they'll be no slackers with them two at the helm and they've both still to achieve as coaches.Nobby,to me,is past it compared to the other 2.

Not sure who I'd want but I'd want a someone with some experience. But would anyone take the job on? They'd want some cast iron guarantees on certain things i.e. amount of money to spend either in SL or in Championship.

Kear or Noble would be the only ones with the man management skills & experience needed. However, based on boots and all interview I get the impression we are now planning for the drop & I feel Cummins is staying.

I said when Cummins was hired that we need a leader of men, and I still do. Harrison is one.

We'd only get better coaches (and players) if the owner can guarantee certain things and I'm not sure he can.

In fact I think the players have seen the way this is going and that can be seen in the last 2 games. I'm hopeful of a semi recovery this weekend. Sort of a valiant loss but longer term it looks bad unless we seem some more troops on deck.

Got to admit I suspect what players are being told behind scenes is very different to sound bites ferres and green are giving the outside world. There's been a noticeable change in mood for the worse in the camp since Oldham game IMO.

If we were to go for a different coach, my vote would definitely be for Kear - that's John, not Elliot, btw...

Not certain about long term, but for galvanising a failing team he's the guy with the charisma and personality to pull it off. Players seem to buy into his belief of being able 'to do it', which he's proved on several occasions in the past. A bit of the 'Foxy' about him, for me.