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| The RFL have just killed the bulls and are killing off the game as well. Shocking treatment. We need a new governing body ASAP.
feel for the players atm, hopefully they can rally together, can't see it happening though with these BS sanctions they've put on us.
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| Quote ="TonyGee"To be honest, you have to be a complete and utter moron to post on another clubs board taking the mick when something like this has happened. It appears yorkshire has more than its fair share of small minded idiots with access to the internet.
For Bradford this may not be the disaster it first looks, altho it certainly wont seem that way atm. Everything i have heard from Bradford over the last 5 years or so is bad, there has been a rot at the club that they have struggled to fight effectively that has led to such a state. When a club of this size can be run in such a manner for such a long length of time without ever seeming to break the cycle something has to give.
To hear the constant complaining about the half money issue, we have to remember the club bought themselves back into SL with that money, by rights they should have been facing losing their franchise and relegation at that time. The club took a risk, and it turned out to be just another blunder the join the long list of blunders.
Look at Widnes, A smaller club than Bradford, were given a 3 match point deduction in a relegation year and a couple of months before the season only had 5 players. We fought on to survive that year, and turn the business around, we were then refused entry into SL based on our previous administration ( Punished twice ) but we battled on and now we are as strong as we have ever been off the pitch. And we did that with Less fans than Bradford have.
The club will only die if the supporters of Bradford dont feel the club is worth fighting for.
Looking at things, Bradford could realy do with a fresh start, with the supporters on board helping to run things and P&R in place it would not be too long before you were back, re-energised and ready to take RL by storm again. This is the perfect time to make a clean break and start again without all the baggage you have been accumulating over the last few years. Bradford have been limping allong now for a good few years, had you been a horse the black curtain would have been drawn and you would have been shot long before now. Hard as it seems now, look at this as on opportunity to take your club back and run it how it should always have been run.
Ignore the fools who find this situation funny, I remember driving home from headingly after Cas destroyed us in the play off final, listening on the radio as it was announced we were entering administration and feeling sick. Now i look back and remember that day as the bottom, its been a uphill battle since then but worth every minute.
I have no intention of annoying Bradford fans with this post, i just hope you have enough heart as a group of supporters to pull through this.'"
Good post, I agree wholeheartedly. You guys have to ignore the idiots, put blame to one side and save your club through your actions and passion. There are many people to blame for the sad decline of your club, but what is any club about really? Supporters and Heritage in my view, myself and others like Tony Gee support other clubs and value the heritage of other clubs, that does not mean we are not empathetic. Don't give up, as much as you feel you have been kicked in the knackers today, you guys collectively are the club, not Caisley, Hood, OK or Moore.
On that note, I feel you may be better off long term without Mark Moore, my perception is he has not led you well in recent months however good his intentions may have been. He seems too fond of brinksmanship and a fait accompli, I would cite the Christmas Eve resignations and the ill advised statements on the club web site of 1 Feb and today. If he had appealed for help from the RFL rather than demanded it you may be in a better place today, but that is water under the bridge.
Just don't give up, you are better than that. Good luck.
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| Certain players talking about today's news on twitter.
Matt Diskin:
Quote Operating with half sky money, losing star players, -6pts, smallest squad in SL & informed you can't reinforce, is this feasible? #COYB'"
Matty Blythe:
Quote f*ck all this bullsh*t....as long as we have players I no we will all run our bodies to the ground twice over to try get these points back'"
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| TBH, anyone coming in to buy the club now can tell the creditors to go whistle. There's no incentive at all to give them a penny. THAT is the precedent the RFL have set now.
Admin? Take a 6pt hit and screw over anyone you owed money to.
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| Quote ="alleycat"The situation at the Bulls does not make me feel happy in the slightest. Not all Wake (or Cas for that matter) fans like to wallow in someone else's misfortunes; we have enough of our own, thanks.'"
Has a cas fan does this make me happy?? Err no. I feels desperately sorry for the players/staff of the club and there families. I believe the rfl had no choice but to give out a punishment has it would have been completely unfair on those clubs that have been punished in the past.
I don't see it has a long term disaster for the bulls but it will mean re-building from the bottom up something cas/widnes and hkr have all had to do.
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| Quote ="debaser"Please leave us to wallow in our misery. We know we will go down. To be honest I will be surprised if we play another game.
But at least Cas and Wakey fans are happy eh?'" why are you bitter toward Cas we have no fear of relegation we are in strong when it comes to finances so I have no idea why you singled us out. Cas was told to try help your directors out to how run club pre season. I am not glad about you going bust which will happen now but how this club as been run by idiots needed some thing doing and for me you 6 points which is fair.
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| wouldn't it be nice if teams like wigan, saints, leeds, warrington played you with an academy team and you took the points and they gave you back the money the RFL stole from you....What would the RFL do then..??
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| Personally i think you will make those 6 points up fairly quick if that squad you have now stays together. Everybody knows the RFL are poor and not fit for purpose even at administration it seems.
I don't think you can complain at the 6 points deduction to be honest as its the general punishment for administration, but they shouldn't then also punish you by putting other restriction on the club such as only giving you half the funding and not allowing new signings.
Also not sure about your new club directors pulling out at every little hick up and spitting the dummy out on this occasion. I think a siege mentality would be a lot more effective as i reckon they will be back within a week.
Plus side to all this your club is now debt free the RFL just need to allow you to perform like a normal super league club and not like a leper. Would be an attractive club to purchase in those circumstances, all the hard work is done.
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| So, the points sanction is "up to 6 points", dependent on the circumstances of the Insolvency event and the amount of money creditors are paid....
Now that the administrator is looking for a buyer again, how do the RFL know how much a buyer would pay the creditors?
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| I can imagine this feels terrible, but it's not the end.
8+8+8 could have come at a good time for Bradford. While it's by no means certain you'll go down, if you do then coming in the top 4 of the second tier next year with a restructured club finally running affordably from a clean slate should be very possible.
Competitive games and an entertaining season in 2015 followed by promotion is what you can look forward to. Even in the worst case scenario and you have to reform as Bradford Northern and start from the bottom you'd be back in the top flight within two years. Just don't let Caisley anywhere near things.
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| Good to see some fight from your players, shame the board cant conjure up the same amount of spirit. I would imagine once the dust settles and they realise that if you beat London at weekend (you will, your players will make sure of that) you're only 2 points behind London and Wakefield (amoungst other clubs but you'd expect them to be nowhere near the relegation spots come the business end) they'll pick their toys back up and proceed with the takeover.
If it was a 16 point deduction I could understand it, but 6 points is more than do-able especially when you already have 2 and another 2 coming this weekend.
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| Quote ="dubairl"
Plus side to all this your club is now debt free the RFL just need to allow you to perform like a normal super league club and not like a leper. Would be an attractive club to purchase in those circumstances, all the hard work is done.'"
Which is just the problem? The RFL are determined it seems to make it impossible for us to perform.
Why? Well, that is the question isn't it? I wonder if we will ever know....
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Indeed.
if you were him, (or any other interested person) would you be remotely interested? i can't imagine that anyone will be, not on these terms.
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| Quote ="Highlander"So, the points sanction is "up to 6 points", dependent on the circumstances of the Insolvency event and the amount of money creditors are paid....
Now that the administrator is looking for a buyer again, how do the RFL know how much a buyer would pay the creditors?'"
THey made this one up without seeing the business plan etc. so I'm not sure they're bothered.
I think it's whatever they think the press want to see TBH.
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| Will Sunday's game even go ahead?
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| Really feel for you fans and players. I don't think however you can complain about the points deduction as other teams have had to loose points for going into administration. I think you could still get those points back through throughout the season.
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Will Sunday's game even go ahead?'"
What will the RFL do if it doesn't? Fine us? Deduct some points? Oh, too late for that...
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| It's not just 6 points though is it? It's special measures 1/2 Sky money and an extra game against the team who came top last year - 2 more. We are shafted. Who's gonna buy us under these circumstances?
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| It's not just 6 points though is it? It's special measures 1/2 Sky money and an extra game against the team who came top last year - 2 more. We are shafted. Who's gonna buy us under these circumstances?
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| This is not a trolling attempt - I am genuinely shocked by the RFL's decision today.
I can only assume that the points Mark Moore has made with regards to the RFL's involvement are true (otherwise he may need a very good lawyer) These are things that the majority of RL fans would not have known were going on. I can understand the raw emotion that would lead him to post all these details but I think it may have been wiser to let those emotions settle first. There would seem to be no way back after a statement like that.
The precedent had been set and IMO a 4 point deduction was the correct sanction. 6 points in this season is massive and without knowing the full details of what "We will work with all creditors" meant it seems way too harsh to me.
I understand a lot of your fans won't want to hear from a Wakey fan right now but I genuinely wish you luck and hope that some kind of solution can be found. I have never wanted to see your club go to the wall, just to be treated like others have been and this seems much worse to me.
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| Quote ="AirlieJo"Really feel for you fans and players. I don't think however you can complain about the points deduction as other teams have had to loose points for going into administration. I think you could still get those points back through throughout the season.'"
It's not just the points though is it?
It's the money and the "special conditions".
And the the fact they club were told one thing by the RFL and then given the opposite, that's the absolute p155er of it all.
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| Quote ="dddooommm"Will Sunday's game even go ahead?'"
Ross Heppenstall @rosshtanda: [i"Just spoke to @RHunterPaul, who remains in situ as chief executive. He confirmed the club is back in the hands of the administrator. Robbie also said he was confident that everything was in place for Sunday's game to go ahead, although couldn't give cast-iron guarantees. Hunter-Paul said: "All the staff and suppliers are in place to deliver Sunday's game." #bradfordbulls"[/i
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| Quote ="craigizzard"
8+8+8 could have come at a good time for Bradford. While it's by no means certain you'll go down, if you do then coming in the top 4 of the second tier next year with a restructured club finally running affordably from a clean slate should be very possible. '"
This is why I don't understand the new owners walking away. We have a new structure coming in that is supposed to allow for relegation with it not being the (off field, contractual and financial) disaster it used to be going from SL down to NL1.
Or is the new super-duper 24 team league not so super-duper after all?
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| Desperate news for Bulls fans but please do not lose hope.
I feel there will be other twists yet and actually I don't agree that the 6 point deduction makes relegation almost certain.
You still have a decent team, fighting spirit and you are more than 6 points better than some teams.
You just have to find a way to keep on going and keep paying the wages. Someone will come in and if they don't I believe the RFL will not want a 13 team comp so something will be worked out.
Good luck and best wishes.
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| Quote ="His Bobness"...
Someone will come in ...'"
There hasn't been a queue before so why should that change now we're pointless, on half TV money and will be put into special measures should we come out of admin?
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