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| Quote ="Cripesginger"eusa_clap.gif
Hood et al have twisted and changed on their promises in just a week or so.
The 1m is not quite a million. [size=200Duckett[/size says you have £250K then you don't. The deadline on Friday shifts to Monday. the announcement fior haldf time becomes Saturday 11.30 am and then becomes Tuesday. Can a promise be kept? Is their word their bond?
Some [size=200Hood[/size apologists will defend this shambles. Bulls fans and pledgers should be able to trust the words out of the mouths of those in power. Why should anyone believe these people have a plausible plan for the fduture?'"
Please.
It's Ryan and Pete now.
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| A lot has changed since they announced the latest 'pledge' scheme - Caisley has shown his hand and the response from across the game has probably been greater than even they imagined (cheers for the contributions from East Hull!). Last night was also probably the best advert for investing in a club you could get - 21,000 people watch the Bulls beat their local rivals and superleague champions in a tough uncompromising match with an amazing atmosphere.
So to be honest I would imagine there's a lot going on behind the scenes, maybe some further discussion with potential investors and some level of confusion about the precise amounts raised. In that context I would have been amazed if they had made a conclusive statement this morning and so wasn't expecting much more than we got. I don't blame Hood for that, nor for the extension over the weekend, I think that makes perfect sense in the circumstances and could probably not have been planned for in advance, so let's see how this shakes out before jumping to conclusions.
If I had half a million to bung in, seeing the response of the fan base (and from across the game) plus being present last night might just have persuaded me, so maybe the degree of confusion about where the other money is coming from will get addressed soon, but perhaps they want to be sure of that before making any definitive announcements. Of course they may also be seeking time to hold an EGM and Caisley might be in charge by the end of next week, truth is we don't know, and will just have to wait for the time being.
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| Something we could do:
[urlhttp://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/5813/UNDER%2020%27S%20AT%20ODSAL[/url
And pay on the gate.
Just a thought
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| I don't think anyone's in any doubt that the club needs to look at how it communicates.
That said they're in a unique situation. I didn't see too many people questioning the timing of various announcements before they were made. It's easy to be wise after the event. With hindsight the club maybe should have said it would make an announcement on Monday night or Tuesday morning that way they'd have got a few more days to raise cash before the banks and HMRC open up.
TBH even if it's a big conspiracy to keep the pledges coming (which I doubt as they're not as Machiavellian as that) in I'm not d, the main thing is that we've got a few more days to reach the total.
I'm more worried about the other £500k.
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| I have a suspicion that the other 500k may well be related to achieving the pledge total.
If it is, as Has been said would people want to see the club fold because they insisted on announcing the pledge had failed just because they d promised to meet a date to make an announcement?
Have none of you seen what happens when a company makes a takeover bid and is not quite up to the necessary level of acceptances by the deadline? Guess what: they extend the deadline.
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| Quote ="Bullseye" With hindsight the club maybe should have said it would make an announcement on Monday night or Tuesday morning that way they'd have got a few more days to raise cash before the banks and HMRC open up. '"
I think thats the main point right there - why kill the club off today when your main creditor isn't back in the office until Tuesday and there's a good chance you'll have good news instead of bad for them then ?
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I'm more worried about the other £500k.'"
And that has to be a huge worry.
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| Quote ="anarkik"A lot has changed since they announced the latest 'pledge' scheme - Caisley has shown his hand and the response from across the game has probably been greater than even they imagined (cheers for the contributions from East Hull!). Last night was also probably the best advert for investing in a club you could get - 21,000 people watch the Bulls beat their local rivals and superleague champions in a tough uncompromising match with an amazing atmosphere.
So to be honest I would imagine there's a lot going on behind the scenes, maybe some further discussion with potential investors and some level of confusion about the precise amounts raised. In that context I would have been amazed if they had made a conclusive statement this morning and so wasn't expecting much more than we got. I don't blame Hood for that, nor for the extension over the weekend, I think that makes perfect sense in the circumstances and could probably not have been planned for in advance, so let's see how this shakes out before jumping to conclusions.
If I had half a million to bung in, seeing the response of the fan base (and from across the game) plus being present last night might just have persuaded me, so maybe the degree of confusion about where the other money is coming from will get addressed soon, but perhaps they want to be sure of that before making any definitive announcements. Of course they may also be seeking time to hold an EGM and Caisley might be in charge by the end of next week, truth is we don't know, and will just have to wait for the time being.'"
Excellent, this saves me some typing. I agree with all this ^
I'm off abroad on holiday tomorrow, (be nice to have a break from this soap opera tbf as well as work!) personally speaking I couldn't give a stuff about exact timings, the result on the next available working day and where the next 500k is comig from is all that matters now.
So can I please trust you all to ensure there is a club here when I get back? Thanks.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I think thats the main point right there - why kill the club off today when your main creditor isn't back in the office until Tuesday and there's a good chance you'll have good news instead of bad for them then ?
And that has to be a huge worry.'"
First point - seems pretty clear cut to me.
Second point - enough hints to suggest this may become a bit easier once we achieve the pledge target, I reckon.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"So had they kept to their undertaking and made the announcement today, they would have had to say we had failed. And, to avoid being seen as liars, they would have had to have said they were not calling in the pledges, since they promised they would not do so if they had not raised £500k. And administration next week.
Which promise would you have preferred them to have kept? Making the final announcement today, and not calling in the pledges? Or not make the final announcement today and leave us with a chance?
Surely we should put the future of the club ahead of having to worry ourselves silly for two more days?
They could NOT have called the pledges in as it stands without breaking their biggest promise of all!'"
Here's a non-rhetorical question for you. How stupid are you being?
[size=150My point is very obviously *NOT* that they should have announced today irrespective of the total[/size. My point is that they should not have promised that they were announcing today. As it is they have had to let people who have had trouble sleeping because of this promised announcement down. They have had to backtrack on promises made. Whatever their intentions, the outcome has once more been to toy with the emotions of people who love the club.
This has been an exercise in building faith and trust in people who, to any casual observer, do not even slightly deserve it. They are their own worst enemies. We will never know how many people outside the echo chamber of a forum like this who were in two minds to pledge but ultimately decided they just could not trust the people asking for faith to be placed in them.
Incidents like this are the Chinese water torture that led to that trust being a permanent cripple.
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| Hindsight is wonderful mate. Maybe they had had full confidence when they set the timetable that the support would be forthcoming?
As I said, this sort of thing happens all the time with company takeovers. What the hell is the problem extending by two days?
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| Will HMRC not just asked for money on Tuesday and if so will they give you additional time to convert the pledges into real money.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Hindsight is wonderful mate. Maybe they had had full confidence when they set the timetable that the support would be forthcoming?'"
I see you're banging the benefit of hindsight drum now rather than well you must want to destroy the club instead drum. I suppose that's an improvement.
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| BREAKING NEWS... the deadline for pledges has now been extended from Monday 9th April at 5pm until [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9637750.Bulls__survival_bid_extended_as_total_nears___500_000/Monday 9th April at midnight[/url.
Every little 7 hours helps.
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| Still a PR own goal for me, why not announce part 1 of a very big job done (for the sake of £20k) and then return to the small matter of another £500k!
Can't help thinking this will kill momentum somewhat, they needed a good news story this morning, not another wait and see!
P.S A rather worrying tweet from John Bateman on Twittor, looks like the lads off!
'@johnbateman1: Going to be some tough decision I am going to after make but , oh well it all part of life ant it lets everyone get behind Bradford ppl'
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| Quote ="Keith Swiftcorn"BREAKING NEWS... the deadline for pledges has now been extended from Monday 9th April at 5pm until [url=http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/9637750.Bulls__survival_bid_extended_as_total_nears___500_000/Monday 9th April at midnight[/url.
Every little 7 hours helps.'"
They just can't help themselves.
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| Right decision but once again dreadful PR. this could have been worded and handled so much better. Then we would not be arguing amongst ourselves.
FFS will whoever is in the chair in two weeks time sort the bloody PR out! The crap PR has done more than anything else to risk snatching failure from the jaws of success. The club should be grateful that those of us that are desperate to see success have not allowed the crap PR to distract us.
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| Quote ="just_browny"Please.
It's Ryan and Pete now.'"
Why don't you ask Sugar Daddy Moran to hung us £50k?
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| Quote ="supercat"Will HMRC not just asked for money on Tuesday and if so will they give you additional time to convert the pledges into real money.'"
We undeserving supporters haven't been told that there is actually any big payment due on Tuesday, or any other date for that matter. Just that they need 500k by Thursday 5pm, sorry kick-off, sorry half-time, sorry today at 1130, sorry Monday at 5, no sorry Monday at midnight.
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| No difference whatsoever between 5pm Thurs and Tues morning. Banks businesses and tax offices all closed.
Salaries have to be paid next week so do some of the tax liabilities.
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| Quote ="Adeybull"Salaries have to be paid next week so do some of the tax liabilities.'"
Which is what should have been made clear to everyone as soon as they realised that the problems were about to arise, not drip fed out through certain people once time had been taken to prepare mailshots and a website.
On the very first morning that this came public someone on here (I think) pointed out that yesterday was a meaningless deadline in terms of any creditors that may have been becoming due with it being the BH weekend.
Anyway what's done has been done, but if the current regime want trust and respect moving forward they really need to sort themselves out.
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| Quote ="Asim"We undeserving supporters haven't been told that there is actually any big payment due on Tuesday, or any other date for that matter. Just that they need 500k by Thursday 5pm, sorry kick-off, sorry half-time, sorry today at 1130, sorry Monday at 5, no sorry Monday at midnight.'"
Quite. The morons in charge of the club have completely lost me now. I honoured the pledge made last year in purchasing a season ticket which I knew I'd hardly use because I wanted to help the club out and help it to succeed. I made the effort to turn up last night for a fixture I've not attended in years and have little interest in. No more - I'm out.
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| Quote ="Asim"Anyway what's done has been done, but if the current regime want trust and respect moving forward they really need to sort themselves out.'"
without a doubt.
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| Think people are being a bit precious here. Yeah they've handled it badly so what's new?
THe main thing is we've done the 500K so the club is safe and that's all that counts really. I'm off to rest me bones.
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| Quote ="Asim"We undeserving supporters haven't been told that there is actually any big payment due on Tuesday, or any other date for that matter. Just that they need 500k by Thursday 5pm, sorry kick-off, sorry half-time, sorry today at 1130, sorry Monday at 5, no sorry Monday at midnight.'"
The deadline to pledge was always 5pm yesterday and the announcement was going to be this morning at 09.00 which was moved back yesterday by two hours. It's now been moved to Monday.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Think people are being a bit precious here.'"
After a few hours to calm down I think you're probably right, and if I came on a bit strong then I apologise to all concerned.
I am still sat in the hospital waiting room waiting for the final prognosis on a family member though.
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