I've been saying this since 2006 but the club know better. If you bring decent youngsters into a side with a losing mentality they'll pick up bad habits and never realise their potential.

That losing mentality is now fully ingrained now.

I was thinking that.

It's that good player makes good coach b#####ks theory

look there is no religation for a few years there is time to find a coach who can build a team that can compete its not all doom and gloom. if all faith has gone in your current coach then look at who else is available and compare to what you have is kear any better what about noble or karl harrison whoever you replace your coach with it will take quite some time to get things right.

Despite the many inaccuracies in your post, you have a point if you're skint.

Yeah, I thought that if the ref had been fair, Bradford would have breezed it.

Why don't you correct those inaccuracies then?

He can't. He is clueless.

OK.



APPROACHED, not poached. He came of his own free will.



Funny, I don't remember signing Shontayne Hape, Lesley Vainikolo or Paul Deacon from you in 2005.



Isn't this libel? Dobson needed a work permit, we got one having signed him.



Where shall I start with this one... we didn't spend over the cap, we were accused of a technical breach after we re-negotiated contracts with players who weren't performing to the standard required... something suggested on these boards by fans of many clubs, including your own. Despite not spending over the cap, we were fined and docked anyway, and still not allowed to spend the money we had supposedly been over the cap with. Meanwhile, Bradford cheated their way to a Grand Final victory in the same year by ACTUALLY spending over the cap.

With the same number of breaches of the salary cap as Wigan (if you include the above "technical" breach), Bradford are in no position to say we're cheats any more than they are. However, we can look on the bright side, no-one has broken the cap more times than St Helens.



Well, you could look to produce some new young talent instead, which is what I was ACTUALLY suggesting. It worked for Leeds, too. Unfortunately there's been a habit at Bradford of producing talent (e.g. Rearden) and then letting them go in favour of aging New Zealanders.



Have you pledged?



LOL. That's a good one. Still the abusive liar, then.

@Fishsta - Is your mate going to along soon so you can argue about notebooks?

Actually (and unusually for you) that is fekking bollox.

Our cap breach arose because someone at the RFL decided that the image rights an unconnected third party was paying to Harris should be fall within the cap. Even though the same policy was not followed for e.g Stains and Scully and Gillette.

Your breach was for seeking to manipulate payments to players between years IIRC. The RFL rules you spent over the cap, despite your attempts to argue that the payments related to subsequent years.

Also, IIRC, you were fined considerably more than we were. And the RFL ruling wording was considerably harsher towards you than us.

And before anyone says any bollox about Morley - I understand we did not pay Morley any more than normal finishing position bonuses. He played to keep up his match fitness for the subsequent internationals.

Oh, the Saints fan who couldn't remember which team he supported? And claimed the notebook incident was intended to prove Saints get away with all sorts even though Saints weren't involved in the game in question?

I don't know, but I assure you, he's no mate of mine. I prefer intelligent people.



Adey, you clearly know more than what was reported/widely known at the time. I'll take your knowledge on board, but at the same time our "breach" was just as much balderdash, if not more.



Nope, certain players took a pay CUT to free up space under the cap in order to sign Fielden. The terms offered were for a slight reduction to their contracts, but an extra year on the length of them. This was widely reported and well known information, there was no underhandedness to it, think of it like the Government and their cuts... Actually, no, maybe don't.





Yeah, well, you know my feelings on how the RFL has treated Wigan over the years, especially when certain other teams and players got away with considerably worse. On the plus side, being the current champions despite that makes it even more pleasing to win against the odds.





Never would have dreamed of saying anything about Morley. I assumed you had an amount of money under the cap at the end of the year that wasn't going to be spent, a short term signing on, let's face it, one of the best forwards in the game even now, would add strength in depth to any team at a critical point of the year.

Incidentally, just wanted to thank you for taking the time to actually read my posts over the years and reply intelligently, unlike the many morons who simply think "WIGAN FAN! FLAME! HATE! ABUSE! SWEAR! LOL!"

It makes a refreshing change.

I don't think that at all. I just think idiot.

That certainly explains why you speak idiot.

Anyway, not everything's about you, you know.

Funny really, I came on here actually trying to show people that it's not all doom and gloom for Bradford. Teams go through rough patches, it's not that long ago that people couldn't imagine a Super League with a "Big 4" other than Bradford, Leeds, St Helens and Wigan, Leeds and Wigan have been through the mill and had some success at the other side. Now it's your turn.

It happens.

No you didn't. You came on here to be patronizing. Oddly enough you are so "concerned" for the welfare of Bradford that you only come on this board in the days around a Bradford v Wigan game. That way you get a wee gloat but can hide behind your phoney concern.

No I didn't. Don't let all your hatred from being shown up so many times over the years cloud your judgement. I tend to come on this board around a Wigan v Bradford game because, surprise surprise, there may be points arising from that game that I want to debate or share my opinion on. I also come on after other Bradford games when there's debate to be had involving Bradford, as can be seen in the post-match discussion from your Catalans and Saints games earlier in the season.

Mystic Eddie... purveyor of inaccuracies and lies since... erm. Whenever you were born, somewhere around 1995 at a guess.

Still here? Maybe they are missing you on the Wigan board? Then again, probably not.

I'd not judge Bulls fans by the odd bad apple. Best do what most of us do and ignore the more extreme vitriol. Also, though, don't forget how crap it feels when you have been on the wrong end of a total humiliation on Sky two weeks running. That is bound to have an impact on some of the reactions, as is the waknerage posted by the likes of the pathetic and unpleasant example of pond life posting as "Johnny F" on another thread.

You normally post sensible and relevant contributions on these forums, and that'll do for me.

TBH, there's nothing strange about that. I tend to only go onto other fans forums around the time Bradford are playing them. I don't think I'm alone in doing this.

Thank you again.

I have many memories of how crap it feels being on the wrong end of heavy scorelines, thinking 70-0 and 75-0 in close succession (we all know which matches they were), but I certainly conducted myself a little better than certain other people.

Anyway, that's almost where Bradford are now... had Pat had his kicking boots on. With several key injuries and on the wrong end of a few heavy scorelines.

What I'm getting at is things seemed hopeless for us then, and look at where we are now. Just prior to Super League is when we dominated most, Bradford had their period just after. I think now's your time to have a bad run, a tough time for fans to pull the team through. And just like us, you'll need to make some astute signings and have faith in the young ones... No matter who we imported or signed over the years, NO-ONE plays with more passion that those who have come through the system, because they're desperately trying to get into the team that we have.

Things CAN and WILL get better for Bradford.

What I'm not into is gloating, which is what Craig did last year when you picked up a win over us in the early part of the season. He felt the need, despite the fact our paths haven't crossed much since Bullragegate, to personally dig the victory in my direction. If you want to blame someone for how things lie just now, maybe we should consider Craig's long overdue Karma...

Anyway. Onwards and upwards. Hope to see Bradford at least make the play-offs next year, and maybe vying for top spot a year or two after that.

Best of British to you all. Except Craig. Obviously.

I made a point of not mentioning that you two had previous. But at least readers who were unaware can better understand the vitriol in the exchanges now.

But as for Best of British...to be honest mate unless we find a wealthy sugar daddy pretty quickly I fear we are going to need it. It was ultimately money that gave you guys the platform to get back up to the top - where I suspect you will be for a while now. It is ultimately lack of money that will prevent us from doing the same.

A bit of faith in the youth system wouldn't go amiss though. Me and the missus have both been annoyed by the frustrating nature in which much of your up and coming talent was allowed to leave Bradford whilst keeping old hands on deck.

Probably the biggest example of this was Rearden, I think if he had been allowed to stay he would have become a much better player than he is now.

Back in 2003 (long time ago, I know), I had him tipped as a future GB Fullback.

I think your missus will be one of a large number of Bulls fans who have been annoyed and frustrated at how so much young talent has been lost over recent years. Its not stopped either - look at how we lost the very promising Helliwell to Wire in the off-season? And I just hope the circumstances were not as I have heard, because if they were then it was criminal that we let him go.

Not just young talent either. I doubt you would find that many Bulls fans now who (with hindsight, if not always at the time) would agree with letting Beaver and Morro go - and of course the little matter of releasing Deacs for that unspeakable cowpat of a poor little mummy's boy.

Heard from 2 people that Helewell will be back at the Bulls next season.