So you honestly think Langley was better than lockers last season? And has been better so far this season?

Hard facts.... like.... being picked for the England 4 nations squad.

Being the captain of the team that has finished 3rd for the last 3 years and made 2 challenge cup semi-finals.

Consistantly being on of the top tacklers in the league. I am pretty sure he is right up there this season as well.

Also, he is alot more skilfull than Langley, he has a great passing range and is very creative. He also has a decent kicking game.

Langley is a very good battering ram who works hard, lockers is that, and some. I know which one I would rather have.

I'll don my BSC hat especially for Odemwingie:

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Click on them. You may learn the difference.

Langley is now vice-captain of our side. He's one of the top tacklers in the league. So far he's one of the top metre-makers in the league. Langley filled in at Hooker last season for about 30 minutes of a match, so his passing can't be that bad

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Langley declared himself unable to play fro England last year because he needed his shoulder op, simply playing the whole season and still being near the best in tackles and metres with a dodgy shoulder says something about him.

I know who i'd rather have

If you are dealing with facts, now that it has been explained to you what they are, he has also won absolutely nothing at all.

Odd that plenty of Wigan fans have been moaning on C&W for ages about consistently losing in semi finals and how it is a disgrace yet now, when it suits them, it is seen as some sort of achievement?

Haha quality fella

I had a Northern one of those.

All white with the RAB hoops.....it was the warmest coat EVER and great for spotting yourself on the tele.

Oh sorry I forget Wane's going up against the almighty Mcnamara, a coach so far ahead of his peers that his tactics and game plan have all before him bowing down in awe and amazement.

Whatever you think of Shaun's playing career doesn't really matter, afterall if a playing career did impact on one's ability to coach, how the hell would the numpty that is Steve Mcnamara be in charge of a SuperLeague team.

Perhaps Bradford's fan's problem with Wigan's fan's optimism is the fact that they look at their own club and don't see a bright light at the end of the tunnel, but instead a continuing slippery slope to nowhere.

Nice of you to conveniently leave out the rest of my post? Read it all and you will see I was not being 'cocky' or 'arrogant'.




What's 'arrogant' or 'cocky about that?

Another post I have made that has also quite conveniently been left to filter down the rlfans archives:

I don't think it is the fact that Wigan have won games like Crusaders, Hull KR and Catalans (seems as we have no harps about Warrington) it's the manner in which we have won these matches which has filled us fans with such confidence and hope & there is nothing wrong with that at all IMO. Some people seem to be almost 'telling others off' for getting so confident and optimistic about this season - why? Our lads deserve the recognition for the performances they have been putting in. Who else this year is going to beat Warrington on their own patch and then nil Catalans the following week? Or do either of those things for that matter? Does anyone think any other teams this year will keep their opponents to nil in more than four halves of rugby league?

These comparisons with Hull FC from last year are nonsensical and they scream fear IMO from rival supporters. Although results are similar in the fact that both teams won their opening four games, but the performances are not. Did Hull FC only concede 2 tries in their opening 3 home games? Did they manage to nil anyone? Did the manage to keep their opponents scoreless in four halves of Rugby League? Wigan are a completely different side to the Hull FC team of 2009. I think people are more in hope that we will follow suit than actually truly believing it.

Okay first bit of arrogance on my part maybe, but I agree to the above.

Genius post.

Look at his try/try assists ratio.

Look at how many penalties he has conceded in comparison to O'loughlin.

Then blush a little, ignore my post and think twice before you post such rubbish in the future.

Arrogant sod.

Yeah cos as a Bradford fan I can't face the prospect of Leeds and Saints not playing the Grand Final...

...again!

I would love it if a different team broke up the top two but it won't be Wigan as they have peaked to early. Just like Hull last year and Wakefield before that.

It's more fun to be selective with the facts





Where have I even remotely bigged up McNamara's coaching credentials?

In fact where has anyone done that?

So how about you put your plonker back in your pants, put away the tissues and get a sense of perspective? Wane may go on to be the British answer to Wayne Bennett but at the moment he's merely assistant to a bloke with 4 wins under his belt.

I remember them. I wanted one too in the mid 80s but it wouldn't have fitted in with school uniform policy so I wasn't allowed



Ski Jackets! How 80s were they?

Tell me, will Bradford be peaking at all this season? Or have they decided to go with last years game plan of being e for all 27 rounds?

The fact is, you nor I know whether Wigan have peaked early, after all most of your fans have already declared that we've played poor opposition and therefore should have one them all anyway.

Look. The Bulls are obviously lulling the rest of SL into a false sense of security. The fact that we haven't had a peak for about 5 years should be evidence of that



Silly boy.

As for Wigan, I guess the hysteria amongst some of your fans is explainable considering the trophy drought in pieland in recent years. 4 wins and you have the best coaches in SL and half a dozen WORLD CLASS players.

I can't wait to see how the season pans out for you guys.

You still sound like a Wakefield fan.

Look, seriously, the view that just because somebody plays for Wigan meaning they are the best in the business is twenty years out of date and your being so patronising didn't really make you look very good. Made you look rather like a twelve year old.

O'Loughlin is a decent player (my previous comments, slow, lack of creativity etc. would have been comparing him to a world class player) but if he was really any good, he would have some medals to show for it.

I am quite happy with Langley and Menzies, along with all the backrowers we have coming through, ahead of O'Loughlin.

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Only one way to settle this argument, Friday Fight Night!

Battle of the Curly Fros.
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Its good when arrogant opposition supporters come on here to crow. It unites all us Bulls fans against a common enemy.

Much more fun than fighting amongst our selves.

I'm going for a Bulls win now. Not by many. Probably really scrappy and against all the form books. But a win all the same. I just have a "Saints away" feeling...

No, he's not. Not unless you pull one of those "not naming him in the 19, but then someone else drops out and he plays anyway" kind of situations.

Since when have I ever said this? Since when has anyone ever said this?

I think I have now found your motivation in being so bitter.



How was I patronising?

I pointed out FACTS to highlight the crap you were spouting about Sean O'loughlin (which you have completely ignored btw).



Then why didn't you say that is what you were doing? You were making a general statement about O'loughlin as far as I am aware and then you compared him to Langely. Why are you back tracking?



So the sign of a good player is how many medals he has won? You know nothing about RL. Rickey Bibey has 2 challenge cup medals to his name. Trent Barrett has never won a medal in his life, but is world class.

What a ridiculous point to make.



And I would have O'loughlin over any loose forward in Super League so everyone is a winner then.

Well you're in luck! Wigan haven't peaked yet at all. Read MaGuire's comments after the Catalans match. All he talks about is improvement.

The side is still a long way off playing how he wants us to play.

Hull didn't peak either. They had an awful run of injuries and never in their opening five games did they convince the Hull public they were a championship running side.

Here's what a Hull FC fan posted on our forum to back this:

Our song for Lockers is the best though.

But no seriously, Cadoo summed it up.

Also, for the poster refering to the semi-finals, we are disapointed that we have lost to many semi-finals, but, it is still a good place to be isn't it?

And no he hasn't won anything, but Ricky Bibey has more in his medal collection than most players, does that make him a better player?