What I take from that, especially in the last response, is that it's pretty much the fault of the fans.

I'm sure that we should unquestioningly accept this new set of strangers who promise us the same 'stability' and 'within our means' again, just like the last lot and the lot before that. I've seen no incentive as to why I should renew my season ticket yet. In fact by selling/ridding players who are fan favourites actually does the opposite, and not only for me too I'm sure.

Let's see the £1 million that they have, in the hands of the RFL, to ensure that they have the means to take the club forward, and not just skin us poor fans again and asset strip the club (again).



Just incredible.

Edit: And if they try the whole emotional blackmail with me ("without us, you won't have a club, that's why you should support the club"icon_wink.gif after all we have been through, that is me completely done with the sport. Hell, I'm teetering on the edge of that now anyway....

That same thought occurred to me while I was reading it, although I confess I've never been totally clear on the situation so assumed I was reading it wrong or I'd understood it wrong in the first place.

I also notice the shareholder figures don't seem to tally up necessarily with the list of shareholders listed on this thread, although again that may be me misunderstanding something rather than inaccuracy.

I will say, if everything in that statement is taken at face value, one line I do like. "The only way to prove that there is no ulterior motive, is by proof of actions, over the passage of time.". That is absolutely correct and I hope they are genuine in understanding that. It does seem a little contradictory to then criticise people too, but I suppose they're just trying to do what they can to stop people being negative online, since I don't doubt it won't be helping with tickets sales and sponsorship. Unfortunately though, that's the inevitable truth of the damage the last few years has caused rather than fans just being negative for the sake of it.

I hope someone there does understand that the lack of trust and the negativity is something that isn't going away yet. There's too much damage been done for it to just disappear. There will be plenty like myself who need to see plenty of action before they're going to start coming around, and even then they're going to be tentative about letting themselves get emotionally invested again.

I agree with pretty much all of what Dilligraf says in the post above, and Friday's post above that one as well.

It's true that the 'proof of the pudding will be in the eating' as they rightly observe. It's going to take some while to get a lot of the fans on board again. I'm one who will take some convincing.

But I really don't think it helps in any way to sign off by being negative about what fans are writing on social media (which I assume includes this forum). After everything we've all been through, you really can't blame people for being cynical, and it would be good to have some recognition of that.

Instead, we basically have them saying that the fans are to blame for some people not investing! It's nothing more than guilt-tripping, and achieves nothing really, especially when they are trying to sell season tickets to those same people!

Well I guess the idea is ok if there are people who feel they need answers before committing to a season ticket or whatever. To be honest they could buy half the Australian international team and I still wouldn't buy a season ticket. Neither the club or RL in general is that important to me anymore that I would commit so much of my free time and money to it again. However as I've said before, if there is still a Bradford Bulls in Feb that has a side worth watching then I'll most probably get to some games at Dewsbury. The rights or wrongs of the off field shenanigans I'm sort of past caring about though it's clearly important to some and that's fair enough.
I've just found it's a lot easier to just see it as sort of transactional ie is the afternoons entertainment worth my brass.

In a different context admittedly but there is a poem by Phillip Larkin which has the lines; "Man hands on misery to man, It builds like a coastal shelf" - and this is very true.

Our misery has built 'like a coastal shelf' over the last three or four owners, rather than our 'mums and dads' as in Phillips' poem, but the truth remains. It becomes ingrained. We find it hard to trust owners when one by one they let us down. Trust is hard earned and easily lost.

So, we have new owners, well whoopee, hot digity dog, but now you now have to earn our trust. It can't, and won't, just be given. Four times bitten - how may times shy?

^ this

By God I have reached the point of chucking the towel in with the club just like a good numbers of members on here. May I also say things that have happened since 2012 on the surface seem to little Fishy
and some questions need to be answered and may well be in the fullness of time . Before I get jumped on no I'm not being blindly Lead or wearing rose tinted specs I am calling as i see it imo

Since 2012 who have we had in the senior management team who had any experience in the uk rugby league club management . Only one i can think of was MR S Ferris who came with a reputation of doing more harm than good to his previous clubs ! RHP was Ceo at one point but his training from what I believe is in commercial marketing and not sports club management administration etc.

Look what we now have Eric P ,Mark S, The Batley owner who's name i cant recall and Nigel W All who have experience of building clubs from the ground up and proven track records
All of their experience and knowledge will be being drawn against to resolve the clubs issues and put tried and tested procedures, practices and governance in place to run the club going forward.I feel we can say for certain that the days of the back of a fag packet accounting and trying to hoodwink the tax man by changing season tickets to memberships have gone.

Look what has been done so far:

Identified debts as best as humanly possible

Sold players off

But the debts have to be payed , Paid Pension Debt , Paid largest creditor off , and got Andrew charmers to write off his business loans

Negotiated with Bradford council the change of rates so that the Odsal shop / office can be used without having to pay rates on the full stadium

On going meetings with council re returning to Bradford

Finally the bit we all want to see is started the recruitment for next year.

Don't forget all of the gents above have reputations in the game itself to up keep its a lot bigger risk for them than it is for any of us even though it may not feel like it is with the amount of money time an emotion we have put into the club of the last decade

All Ways Look On the Bright Side of Life COYB :

What £1 million do you speak of?

Finger in the air figure mate. But looking at expenses and debts I don't think it's far wrong.

When the RFL threw open the bidding during our last spell in administration, one of the 'hard and fast' stipulations ([urlhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/jan/05/new-bradford-bulls-owners-have-to-make-three-year-fixture-pledge[/url) that the RFL stated was that there should be evidence of funds available to ensure that the club was in safe hands. This was waived for Mr. Chalmers bid, however. For some reason.....

And look what a debt-accruing, player-losing, pension-payment-dodging, st0rm THAT resulted in!

I hope that the RFL have verified that our new masters have enough capital to ensure that we're not doomed to another catastrophy sometime soon, by abiding by their stipulations from last time and asking for a bond to be placed with them to guarantee a stable financial foundation for the club.

I'm not holding my breath though.

League Express advises the debt currently owing to creditors is 350k. Chalmers has written off any funds owing to him.

But surely they need to pony up and show that they have funds to clear the debts AND run the club?

An open message to Eric Perez from a respected and informative quasi social media outlet.

1) We admire your love of Rugby League and thank you for bringing Toronto into our great game and making a success of it. We wish you all the best with your upcoming Ottawa venture.

2) Notwithstanding the above, we do, however, with respect have a problem with you collaborating (or allegedly being duped into collaborating) with the parties who have brought the Bulls to their knees three times in the past seven years, and who have now in effect let it become a substantially insolvent business. Two such parties include the current and former Chief Executives of the RFL. They we allege are rightfully accused of the following:

i) Repeatedly turning away investors with millions of pounds to invest in the Bradford Bulls underpinned by robust offers to ultimately pay off creditors; David Thorne being a prime example of one such undoubtedly credible investor who was given the Wood/ Rimmer cold shoulder in early January 2017. Why? Because the ownership of our great club had already been gift wrapped for virtually zilch to Andrew Chalmers' several months prior, and in fact well before Marc Green's Bulls even first entered administration. Scandalous.

ii) Unduly penalising the owners they brought in by withholding a large part of the Sky/central funding money or deducting 6 or 12 points before the season started - yes, some of these actions could to a certain degree arguably be justified, but come on guys you know, and we know, you were for the main part seeking to purposefully 'keep our club down'.

Eric - you may wish to consider why would the RFL do this? We now know the answer - and so we aver do your new colleagues in the oddball BBBBB/BB17 consortium - the Odsal land grab.

We could say more, a lot more, but we will wait for say the likes of a judge to rigorously scrutinise matters in due course. The RL tier 2-3 clubs have been way too slow to complain about all this and their calls for a 'truly independent' inquiry, though well meaning, will likely prove to be far too little, far too late. We recommend a far more direct, and timely intervention.

As for the fine mess you've found yourself in Eric we conclude by offering two comments and two open questions:

a) £350K will not be the level of debt as of the end of November 2019; we are confident that it will be at least £500K plus;

b) How much were Nigel Wood and Mark Sawyer owed by Chalmers and/or BB17 as of the day before the recent fans forums?;

c) Do you really want to be involved in an enterprise that won't even immediately pay back the Bulls' ex and current players, and hard working staff, the pension monies that they were in effect allegedly defrauded of?, and finally

d) As a respected RL journalist legitimately commented this evening ..... "[iVery difficult as a supporter to part with your own money for a season ticket when there’s so many smokescreens"[/i.

It is high time for new blood to be brought in; not old, (allegedly) bad, blood.

If Mr Perez should actually register to this forum and in such an event..do you expect a response? I assume you have contacted him direct and that the above is merely for our perusal.

As per usual, and apologies for having to once again be evasive ... watch this space Phil

Out of interest why is anyone taking the comments of nestegg seriously?

Not a single person. Not one. Not even the people in nestegg's imagination who it claims are Private Messaging him/her/them/it with messages of support. They're all made up too.

It's the obsession with an Odsal land grab. it's not going to happen!

Only gullible people are.
Weren't we supposedly nearly £1m in debt and it would all come out before Xmas. Now it is £500k+.
Trolls who spend many hours typing and giving masses of details are still trolls.

If this person turned out to be genuine and took over the club who who honestly want to be part of his little world. I wouldn't, so if they are genuine then they are playing a stupid game on social media when sensible professional people would stay quiet and get on with things in the background. That tells me he is just a troll - yes a clever one but nevertheless - a troll.

The Ghost of '99 says ..... "Out of interest why is anyone taking the comments of nestegg seriously?"

If you don't like what they are saying Because it's clear Ghostie that they are on to summat. You dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that. Charlie and his gang took some stick at first, but as time has gone on that's dropped off big time.

If you, Dilligaf, Wooly07 and Blotto dont like what they're saying then offer some detailed counter argument, not just immature troll-like jibes. Or do what mods suggest and ignore 'em. BTW looking at ur posting history can i suggest that you don't get perturbed by bulls matters and go back to either helping the Rhinos survive next season, or for't next few weeks and months go back to worrying urself about the General Election and Brexit. 2 topics that are defo dull compared to endless Bulls soap opera.

For what it's worth me and my pals think that the eggy's may have got it cracked and could even be good for our club.

For all we know Front Row Grizzly might be Nestegg in disguise.

People lying on the internet? I find that hard to believe....

Downbutnotout - I can assure you I'm just a fan of many years, both of the club and of the sport. I've loked into forum from a distance for yonks, but though i'd join and put in my penny's worth. hope you don't mind.

I and a few similarly minded mates have watched very closely as the club has gone from one weird failure to another and constantly thought WTF at each reinvention.

All I can say is that I have a 'no smoke without fire' feeling about the nestegg group that just won't bugger off. Perhaps the eggers are on to something, perhaps they are not.

I do get a strong feeling that with the latest ownership something is 100% wrong. We always buy season tix and go to all away games, but this year we ain't bothering as it all stinks. The inclucion of certain individuals is defo wrong for starters. That's a fact most of us can agree on.

If the eggers are proved to be correct in their points then we are heading for a very sad day and I seriously hope not. They appear to be persistent in their line and haven't really deviated. That may be one reason why looking over the posts the trend has definitely shifted to their point of view. I think we are probably all lacking a bit of patience. I for one are doing my best to stay calm through yet another sh%tstorm but if it takes a cloudburst to flush out the sewer maybe it might not be a totally bad thing. If eggers are wrong then we plod on under another ownership that plenty are not trusting of right now.

As they keep saying watch this space. I just hope we don't have to wait too long either way.

i won't reply to another troll like abuse message - suggest instead we have a more sensible and intelligent debate. If u dont agree with the eggy's well worded points then explain in detail why you or others think they are wroong. OK.

Its easy for Chalmers to write off his six figure debt to Nigels new club, as it was Nigels Money that set up Chalmers and Lowe in 2017, no matter how much of a big cute cuddly Maori Teddy bear he is he wouldn't and nobody would just "write off" a six figure sum.
Why do you think big Nigel has been sat at most Bulls games since 2017 at Chalmers side?
The whole situation stinks, and the way the "club" are trying to extinguish any questioning of whats going on by saying it has already lost investors for them is laughable as what hard nosed financial backer with stacks of business acumen is put off by some nasty words on Bulls Facebook forums and twitter.

Perez will be gone after XMAS and RHP will be wheeled out as the new messiah and saviour, even though he has had a hand in the last 3 failures.

The Bulls situation and its handling since admin 1 is perverse, we have been passed around from 1poor owner (=#FF0000you can't say that mate - Bulliac) to another like the Armley cell block bi@ch

Why have you changed accounts? It's quite clear from the writing that this is someone who has previously posted under the "nestegg" name. Most people on here aren't as gullible as you seem to think.

Incidentally, I have used the "Ignore" function on your other account, as I will with other accounts that are clearly the same person/people. But when others quote it, that still shows up.

its like Guess who Dilligaf...are you Stuart Duffy?