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| Quote ="M@islebugs"Not forgetting George Mimmis, Mat Orford, the French tax system
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| Quote ="Northern Lad"Sorry guys but there's a battle going on for the hearts and minds of supporters and this probably isnt going to be the last revelation that comes from the T&A, I just wish they'd be a bit more objective.'"
If the board would be more honest and clear about the situation then any (claimed) lack of objectiveness wouldn't be an issue.
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And which sports team does Bradford's heroic last Labour MP support?
That's right - Manchester United.
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Whilst accepting that all politicians are self serving and rarely give a fig about their constituents until a vote is needed he makes a very valid point.
I would suggest the least the fans deserve from the board is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth especially after pledging £480k of your hard earned money to save their business. It's not like it would put anyone off being interested in the club as they would find out the warts and all through due diligence anyway.
Personally, I think the board of directors are treating you like a bunch of mugs and should be ashamed of their whole stance throughout this mess.
If they really put up surety of 10 times the value of the overdraft then they must have been prepared to risk such surety. If there is such a surefire plan to make the club work after this immediate cash influx then why weren't they willing to realise one tenth or even one twentieth of their surety to get to that situation. Where's that supposed commitment now ? Why didn't they pledge the final 4% rather than extending their own deadline to let you stump up some more.
I think it stinks, notwithstanding the fantastic efforts you lot have gone to. You should be very proud, I just feel that this is only the beginning of a long story.
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Whilst accepting that all politicians are self serving and rarely give a fig about their constituents until a vote is needed he makes a very valid point.
I would suggest the least the fans deserve from the board is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth especially after pledging £480k of your hard earned money to save their business. It's not like it would put anyone off being interested in the club as they would find out the warts and all through due diligence anyway.
Personally, I think the board of directors are treating you like a bunch of mugs and should be ashamed of their whole stance throughout this mess.
If they really put up surety of 10 times the value of the overdraft then they must have been prepared to risk such surety. If there is such a surefire plan to make the club work after this immediate cash influx then why weren't they willing to realise one tenth or even one twentieth of their surety to get to that situation. Where's that supposed commitment now ? Why didn't they pledge the final 4% rather than extending their own deadline to let you stump up some more.
I think it stinks, notwithstanding the fantastic efforts you lot have gone to. You should be very proud, I just feel that this is only the beginning of a long story.
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| Quote ="Asim"If the board would be more honest and clear about the situation then any (claimed) lack of objectiveness wouldn't be an issue.
Though six years of everything being someone else's fault suggests that will never happen.'"
Hindsights a wonderful thing Asim, something CC may think as well after the Harris debacle. I'm not sure the club have said everything is someone else's fault, they've absoloutely made mistakes and given their time again might do things differently.
The issue for me here is another story in the T&A which will have a detrimental affect on the pledge, for me it's nailed it's colours to the mast pretty early and looks like its being fed stories. |
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| Quote ="Peter Hood"“We’ve made huge steps forward but we need to keep the pressure on and in rugby league jargon we’re on the line and we need to get over the line and get the ball down and that’s what we’re focused on now.”'"
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I'll give Peter credit in that after todays game he had time to answer to all my questions, with open honest replies and not once did try lead me astray with any BS.
Unfortunately I'm still of the opinion that
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Please Mick you can't leave the post like that surely.
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| Quote ="Asim"If the club is losing £100k a month there really is little hope going forward without any big new investment - whether the pledge money is raised or not.'"
Hopefully the T&A confused accounting losses and cashflow.
If we really are losing £100k per month pa then we are in deep doo doo, with no realistic way back.
Its possible that we "just" have negative cashflow of £100k per month. That would be consistent with what we already know, that once the pledge pays off existing debts we still need £500k to pay the bills until the end of the season. That would partly be a consequence of receiving all the season ticket money at the start of the year. Serious but not as bad as a accounting losses of £100k per month. |
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| Quote ="Thackley Bulls"Please Mick you can't leave the post like that surely.'"
Still of the opinion that this Caisley v Hood power struggle isn't helping the situation.
Peter Hood categorically rubbished the T&A's claim that the club need £1.2m a year to cover the supposedly £100k a month losses.
Obviously I can't go into too much detail about our conversation but he was extremely open throughout and on one occasion he admitted the club had done ............ wrong. |
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| I think it must have been last Thursday night I turned on Radio Leeds, they were interviewing Hood (I presume it was him). He was gushing in his praise of Sutcliffe's support & efforts during this crisis & previously. But what does Hood know?
Quote And which sports team does Bradford's heroic last Labour MP support?
That's right - Manchester United.'"
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| Quote ="MicktheGled"Still of the opinion that this Caisley v Hood power struggle isn't helping the situation.
Peter Hood categorically rubbished the T&A's claim that the club need £1.2m a year to cover the supposedly £100k a month losses.
Obviously I can't go into too much detail about our conversation but he was extremely open throughout and on one occasion he admitted the club had done ............ wrong.'"
He has said that at a couple of the Fans Forums he has made mistakes, the Club had made mistakes but the impression was more policy mistakes than financial ones. |
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Don't doubt we make 100k losses some months but that's operational losses. Other months well make very large profits. Just the nature of the way our income comes in over the year. Bit of deliberate misleading info from paper their I reckon.
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| Quote ="mat"Don't doubt we make 100k losses some months but that's operational losses. Other months well make very large profits. Just the nature of the way our income comes in over the year. Bit of deliberate misleading info from paper their I reckon.'"
Its how this information is being fed to the press is my objection and what Mick said about this hood v caisley battling, I completely agree with |
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| Quote ="tigertot"How dare the Salford born Sutcliffe support his native team?'"
They all say that they were born in Manchester. Bloody glory hunters. |
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| Quote ="tigertot"I think it must have been last Thursday night I turned on Radio Leeds, they were interviewing Hood (I presume it was him). He was gushing in his praise of Sutcliffe's support & efforts during this crisis & previously. But what does Hood know?
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Maybe he knows it's better to keep some people onside by buttering them up rather than have them become openly hostile? Though with self serving buffoons like Sutcliffe it's hard to tell the difference.
Joke (I think): How do you tell when a politician is lying?
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| Quote ="Blotto"He has said that at a couple of the Fans Forums he has made mistakes, the Club had made mistakes but the impression was more policy mistakes than financial ones.'" If youve not fat on your back then any policy mistake will also have financial implications, and external events that are outside your control will have greater impact as theres no reserves with which to absorb the impact of those events. And that is where the club has been for many years. if Hood is referring to a mistake then imo it was a mistake to spend large amounts of cap on one player. I can see why, as a big name should attract big crowds. But as we then and now Leeds are showing, if you depend upon one player you are a hostage to injury fortune (or the players agent...). And if that is seen as a mistake, Hood has the satisfaction of being able to say that the board learnt from their mistake, and now have a squad that can absorb adversity and still win, which in turn should lead to improvement in the finances. its a shame it didnt happen a season earlier. And I am just as cynical as a number of posters about the timing of Caisleys rescue plan, Hood has constantly said that the board would look at any genuine offer with the implication that they would clear out if it went through, and I suspect would be glad to do so. |
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do we know if we have hit the 500k ? i havnt heard anything yet and thought the announcement was meant to be last night..?
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Yes we do and they have
[urlhttp://www.bradfordbulls.co.uk/news/5830/BULLS%20REACH%20PLEDGE%20TARGET[/url
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well done everyone - cracking effort !!!
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Pledge paid. Not difficult if you read initial instructions. Lets get this cash in and stop the in-fighting please. The Team are gelling and the good times could be on the way back.
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| Well chuffed about the pledge scheme great effort from all  |
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It all starts on the field! Get that right and everything else will take care of itself....
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